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SLHines
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  		   Posted 2/5/2005 11:10 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I just did a search on this site and didn't find any answer, so I'm turning to the world-wide community.
I am editing an orchestra piece of mine to prepare for publication and performance. In one of the parts, there are rests "behind" the notes. These rests do not belong, of course. If I clear the measure, the notes disappear, but the rests remain. If I go into speedy note, the rests disappear. When I click out, they're back. I've checked all the layers, I've checked to see if there is any meter problems...ie, I'm in 4/4 but the program thinks it's some other meter....hey, you never know with this thing!
I'm using 2004C.
Any clues?
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  		   Posted 2/5/2005 12:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A such rest could be many things: note expression, articulation, text block &c.

Two ideas:

1. Use the Selection Tool, and double-click the rest.
That should take you to the tool and layer in which the rest symbol belongs.

2. Post the file here (or just a reduced copy containing only the relevant measures).
Perhaps someone here can solve the problem.

Peter
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  		   Posted 2/5/2005 12:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
SL, I'm guessing that these rests are in another layer other than what the notes are. i.e. the notes are in layer 1, and the rests are in layer 2 or others. Have you tried hiding them?? Go to whatever layer the rests are in, go to speedy entry, click on that measure, go to the rest(s), and hit "H". The rests will be grayed out and will not print. If it is a default rest and you can't hide it. just creat a rest that takes up the whole measure and then hide that one. I had to do that with a piece I just created. Didn't know you could do that until then. Ya learn something from every piece you create.

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  		   Posted 2/5/2005 6:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the thoughts. The first thing(s) I tried was to go through each layer to find the rests and they're not there, hidden or otherwise. I'll see if I kind post the page later (it's only on two consecutive pages).
Thanks again
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  		   Posted 2/5/2005 7:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's possible that these rests belong to the previous measure. Use Speedy on the previous measure and click through the notes using the right arrow, and see if there's an extra rest at the end.

If this is your problem, you can set Speedy to check for extra notes and take care of the problem fairly easily.

Bill Stevens
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  		   Posted 2/6/2005 11:27 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How does the selection sound when you play it back? Addtional notes or rests stand out like a sore thumb during playback especially with HP. If everything sounds OK it's probably just a display problem. Try toggling the "Show Hidden Notes and Rests" setting under the View menu. The mystery rests should disapper. If your playback is hosed you'll need to run the "Data Check" utility under the Options pull down menu. This should identify any extra notes, rests or beats that somehow wound up in the wrong place and help you clean them up.

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  		   Posted 2/6/2005 1:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It sounds to me as though you've accidentally put 2 staves directly on top of each other. Go to scroll view and drag the staff slightly and see if there is another empty one showing default rests in every measure behind it

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  		   Posted 2/6/2005 9:20 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sorry that I haven't responded faster, lots of stuff going on.
I tried the scroll view idea Peter and while there was no other staff underneath the rests are in the empty space now created by moving the affected staff down. When I use the selection tool and click on the rests, they are enclosed in a bordered box, but I can't delete them or clear them. Also, if I double click on them, the simple note tool fires up and the eraser appears, but no amount of clicking will make them go away (no matter what layer I try). Really weird.
Scott
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  		   Posted 2/6/2005 9:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sounds like they may be in a staff in which the lines (as well as other elements) are hidden.

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  		   Posted 2/7/2005 5:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree with Zuill. What you describe sounds like a default rest, that being the case, and the fact that the rests stayed in place when you moved the staff, suggests another staff. With the visible staff moved out of the way, use the staff tool and see if there are handles at the left margin. If so, select the unwanted staff and delete it.

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  		   Posted 2/7/2005 8:44 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have now officially tried all of these suggestions, which I REALLY appreciate. I've been using FInale since 1989? 1990? and I've never seen anything like this before. I can always move staves a little and use white out when I print, but by golly, I'm gonna figure this out one way or another.
Thanks again
Scott
P.s., I'm still going to try and post the offending page.
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  		   Posted 2/7/2005 12:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm interested to see what this is. can you e mail a copy to me

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