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Ron.
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| Posted 3/15/2014 10:46 PM (GMT -6) |   | I am a bit bewildered but this, but can point out that I use GPO4 and GIO back and forth on F2014 and F2012 with no discernible difference between them. This is the first time I have heard that there is a "new" GIO expressly for F2014. In fact, I use Finale 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2014, as well as PrintMusic 2011 with one set of Garritan files (though GIO does not work with F2009).
Having said that I tried your file and am even more bewildered. Everything looks like it should work, but, obviously, as you have pointed out, it doesn't. I'll tinker some more and if I find anything I'll let you know.
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Panamerican
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| Posted 3/15/2014 11:44 PM (GMT -6) | | Dear Ron,
Thank you so much for your quick answer Sir!
I guess I used a misleading phrase when saying "new GIO" sounds". I meant to imply that the GIO sounds are new to me... as opposed to other libraries that I have been using for years already (like Garritan Personal Orchestra 4). You are correct; there is no new GIO expressly for finale 2014 so far.
If you'd like, I could also post my orchestral arrangement of Debussy´s "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair" with the GPO4 sounds, so you can see that It playbacks just fine with those sounds, and maybe you could compare the settings and the behaviour of both files.
I have also sent this case to finale support, but of course I'll be looking forward for any help or insight you (or any other person) could give me on this case.
I have also noticed that I get a few small pops (crackling sounds) once in a while during playback, using any sound libraries, and tha hasnt happened to me in a long time. That is a bit strange because I just recently installed a new hard disk and reinstalled all my software; but I'm using the same proccesor and the same RAM and the same motherboard and the same soundcard.
I'm also using a newer version of the ASIO4all driver than i had before (i recently downloaded ASIO4ALL 2.10) with my DELTA 1010LT soundcard, although there are two newer ASIO4all drivers that I havent tried yet (ASIO4ALL 2.11 BETA1 & ASIO4ALL BETA 2). I have discovered these drivers are the right ones for my DELTA 1010LT soundcard, because if i dont use them things will get worse during finale playback.
Thank you so much again!
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Sound Card: M-Audio Delta 1010LT
Actual Sound Card Driver: ASIO4ALL 2.10 English
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Jim Williams
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| Posted 3/17/2014 5:38 PM (GMT -6) | | I looked at several of the dynamics and note that they are defined as velocity values, but you have Human Playback on.
This may be at the root of the problem.
EDIT: It is the problem. Setting the ppp and pp playback definitions to "none" yields sound.
This is likely to be a problem with winds, since velocity does NOT control volume, but controls initial attack.
Since the harp is plucked, the initial mp defined as velocity in that staff is not problematic. But resetting playback definition
for the mp mark to "none" also yields sound.
If yu are using any kind of Human Playback, dynamics themselves should not be defined for playback.
In your HP preferences, you have the correct setting: CC1 for volume and velocity for attack for sustaining instruments.
Jim
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Michel R. E.
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| Posted 3/19/2014 12:40 AM (GMT -6) | | Jim Williams said...
If you are using any kind of Human Playback, dynamics themselves should not be defined for playback.
In your HP preferences, you have the correct setting: CC1 for volume and velocity for attack for sustaining instruments.
Jim
I have my doubts about this.
I set the velocity values of my dynamics to levels that I like (pp=20, p=30, mp=45, etc...), and only use playback with HP on. My dynamics always work correctly.
Is this an issue with Finale 2014?
HP will translate whatever value you have assigned for dynamics to the correct controller for volume of that instrument.
Finale (started with ver. 3.0) 2010, 2011, 2012b installed
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basically ALL Garritan sounds, plus XSample Chamber Ensemble.
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Zuill
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| Posted 3/19/2014 2:28 PM (GMT -6) | | 2014 does have some issues when interpreting MIDI data. Adjusting the velocity of notes is not recognized by HP in Layer 1. Only Layers2-4 will. Also, ornaments are only reconized by Layer 1. If you have ornaments in Layers 2-4, they are ingored. As far as dynamics, I believe the playback bug I mentioned is connected. So, the velocity levels of the expressions are only recognized in Layers 2-4. With Layer 1, they have no effect, unless, in HP preferences, you set Velocity to NO HP effect. If you choose Incorporate, Layer 1 expressions are useless.
This is a major problem with 2014, and I believe MakeMusic takes it seriously.
Zuill
P.S.: I believe the above mentioned Velocity issue is confied to VST. I think MIDI still works properly.
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Zuill
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| Posted 3/19/2014 2:53 PM (GMT -6) | | Not sure. Would you post a sample for me?
Zuill
P.S.: The only setting under MIDI HP Preferences that allow velocity expressions to have any effect is by setting Velocity to NO HP Effect. See what your setting is. This was not MakeMusic's intention. They have acknowledged the bug and plan to fix it.
P.P.S.: Looks like VST with Softsynth is Okay. Just GIfF that Velocity dynamics don't work. Maybe they do with GPO.
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Jim Williams
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| Posted 3/19/2014 3:59 PM (GMT -6) | | I know this:
1. When I opened the OP's file, only the harp sounded. Note that the dynamics were defined in terms of velocity in the OP's file and that harp uses velocity by default for volume.
2. When I "undefined" the dynamics in the OP's file, they played back with correct relative loudness on the sustaining instruments (which use modwheel by default for dynamics).
I don't know this, because I didn't dump the file into a sequencer:
1. Are there any random controller messages in the file that could be messing things up.
BTW: Can any 2014 user get a "2nd time only" instruction to behave? If so will it behave if you use CC1 modwheel instead of CC7 volume???
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Zuill
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| Posted 3/19/2014 5:08 PM (GMT -6) | | I only asked since it came up earlier in the thread. I do believe those who are thinking about moving from 2012 to 2014 are interested in any changes. The HP playback bugs are a pretty big deal. When I sent in my report, I said to MM that it is no big deal unless one is interested in playback. They, of course, replied that playback is important.
Zuill
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