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Bearcublandon
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   Posted 7/23/2013 5:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I know this isn't a  Finale question but it is directly related to Finale.
 
I just realized that I my computer is going on the fritz because when I make a change to an instrument in my score, that instrument on playback starts blaring out. I do have 4G of RAM but I don't know if this is enough for a real good playback or music mixing/mastering.
 
I have a piccolo in one of my scores and it seems to be playing flat sometimes after I make a change to a section. Before I make a change, it is playing fine. After I make a change to a trumpet part, for example, on playback it would play the entire line at double forte enough though I have it maked as piannissmo. I have to close the file then re open it for it to playback properly. I'm thinking there must be something wrong with my computer. I've reloaded Finale 12C several times and created an entire new score from the one I've been having problems with but the same thing seems to be happening.
 
I presently have a Dell Inspiron 530 with 4G of RAM and running Windows Vista. An audio engineer had suggested the HP Audio beats lap top but I don't know if this would work for composition (using Finale, etc). Any suggestions as what would be a good upgrade? I'm thinking of getting at least 12G RAM (maybe just having them include 8G in the initial set-up) and get a higher processing Speed. I think I have a my processor is running at 667 hertz. I think it should be higher for better fidelity.
 
What are types of things I should be looking for in a new computer if they only thing I use it for is music? I don't know if I should stay with Dell or go with HP or some other brand.
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   Posted 7/23/2013 6:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mac cool

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   Posted 7/23/2013 6:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
At first glance the computer you have should be adequate. I did not have problems when I had only 4 GB RAM, and I certainly don't have any now that I have 10 GB. Processor speed helps but any modern processor should be fine. It also helps to have a video accelerator. I think any computer that can play modern interactive games should be more than enough for Finale.

Frankly, the brand of computer doesn't make any difference. My last computer was Dell, this one is HP. Never used Vista so I can't vouch for it, but Window XP worked just fine, and now Windows 7 works just fine.

Do you defrag your disks frequently and do you have plenty of free space on them? Also, do you delete your Finale temp files from time to time? I suspect these issues could more more closely tied to your problems than the operating system or brand of computer.


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   Posted 7/23/2013 6:58 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Ron, I do have it set up weekly to defrag but I haven't thought about deleting the Finale temp files. I'll see if this a problem.

I have plenty of storage so that isn't an issue. I guess the system is adequate then, there might be other issues going on that are easily fixable.
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   Posted 7/23/2013 7:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bearcublandon said...
I think I have a my processor is running at 667 hertz. I think it should be higher for better fidelity.
I'm hoping you meant 667Mhz. I have 3.3GHz.
 
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   Posted 7/23/2013 10:01 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I recall a recent thread on deleting temp files. I thought I'd mention that I routinely delete Finale temp files, among others, because Finale sometimes forgets to delete them. I created a batch file ("delete.bat") and run it from my desktop every time I shut down my computer, and occasionally after a Finale session. The file deletes all the clip files (I use them sometimes), .tmp, .bak, .asv, and MS Word backup files. Caution: before I run this file, I ensure that all my work is saved and backed up. If you use this batch file, be sure to save and back up your work first.

Here's the batch file:

del c:\*.wbk /s
del c:\data\music\*.clp /s
del c:\*.tmp /s
del c:\data\music\*.asv /s
del c:\*.bak /s


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   Posted 7/24/2013 12:10 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I personally would leave the .bak and .asv files, as they are not that memory intensive for me, and might, at some point, save me. Despite my penchant for saving often, stuff happens. Fortunately, I send work to myself often (between my home and work) so I have backups in all kinds of places.

The temp files, yes. They are useless once Finale closes. I have them in a folder easy to access. I delete them about once a month. Finale is supposed to delete them, but, well, we know it doesn't do it perfectly.

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   Posted 7/24/2013 5:15 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I do a "Disk Cleanup" (Windows Utility) every couple of weeks.  Does that not remove Finale temp files too?
 
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   Posted 7/24/2013 8:18 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I did well at Costco getting a Dell with 32g memory and a 27" monitor for around $2200. There were other comparable offers on their web site. I like the extra year warranty extension that's automatic.


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   Posted 7/24/2013 8:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
chordspinner,
 
It might, and probably does, but it all depends on where your Finale temp files are placed.  The utility only scans the Windows TEMP directory, and maybe the TMP directory, looking for temp files.  If your Finale is setup to store its temp files in the Windows TEMP directory, then you will be OK, but if not, then the utility will have no way to delete Finale temp files.  Unless you have modified the default Finale temp file directory, you should be OK.  It is simple to find out.
 
  • Look in Finale's File Preferences on the Directories pane to find the current path to where Finale stores its temp files.
  • open a cmd window and type "echo %temp%".  Case is insignificant on Windows.  If what is printed out is the same as in Finale, you are OK.
 
The user environment variable %temp% can also be viewed from the System Properties dialog box.  Right click the MyComputer icon and choose Properties.  Then click the Advanced tab, then click "Environment Variables...".  Note that there are user as well as system environment variables.  Some, like TEMP, are defined as both user and system.  It is beyond the scope of this discussion to get into more detail.  The utility probably scans both locations, but I cannot say at this point for sure.  It may also scan the TMP location as well.


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   Posted 7/24/2013 9:08 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Running CCleaner seems to clean out the correct files. It's a good program to run weekly or so.


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   Posted 7/24/2013 9:30 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ttw said...
I did well at Costco getting a Dell with 32g memory and a 27" monitor for around $2200. There were other comparable offers on their web site. I like the extra year warranty extension that's automatic.


Each to his own, but these days I wouldn't spend more than about $500 on a basic computer and another $200 max for a good monitor. I would also never waste money on extended or extra warranties--those usually cover everything except the parts that are prone to break.

The most basic unit you can buy today is more than enough to run Finale.


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   Posted 7/24/2013 10:18 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The Dell Inspiron 530 had a Core Duo 2.2Ghz processor which certainly is more than adequate for running Finale itself. I wonder if there is an issue with the Aria/Garritan stuff if the score has a large number of instruments. I don't have enough experience to say more than "I wonder". The 667(MHz) sounds like the memory speed.

Since it happens when things are changed in Finale I really doubt if it is a hardware problem but...

I also never buy extended warranties on computers or most other things for that matter. Costco does usually give a free second year though and that could be factored into whether or not the overall cost is good. You should be able to get a more than adequate machine with new monitor for under about $1000 these days.


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   Posted 7/24/2013 11:23 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The only issue with Garritan/Aria and a large number of instruments is having sufficient RAM to load all the instruments and still have enough left over for actually execution. The Aria player tells you how much RAM each instrument requires. It takes a lot of instruments to add up to 3MB, which is about the practical limit for 32-bit operating systems. If 3MB is not enough then you have a choice of exporting from Finale to the standalone 64-bit Aria player or some other sampling engine. A 64-bit version of Finale is not likely to be coming anytime soon.

On the other hand, I have written for large ensembles and never come close to the limit.


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   Posted 7/24/2013 1:53 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mine is overkill, but I do some scientific computation (not just run Finale) so I actually get the use the power. It doesn't hurt Finale's performance though.
 
I like Costco (in the US) because they always add a year to the manufacturer's warranty. This was useful once; our flat-screen TV died after 103 weeks. I called Costco and they replaced the entire insides and gave a new 90 day warranty. I didn't buy the extended 5-year warranty because things will be obsolete.


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   Posted 7/25/2013 6:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Charles:  Thank you very much.  It was exactly as you said.
 
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