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814jazzer
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Date Joined May 2011
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Posted 1/7/2016 10:01 AM (GMT -6)

Hi, folks

FIRST QUESTION / ISSUE
How do I add MIDI note assignment to instruments added to a percussion layout?
Specifically, I'm modifying "Basic Orchestral Percussion" layout to include sounds such as 'closed hi-hat,' 'open hi-hat,' 'hi-hat with foot,' etc. I've added these to the layout but the MIDI Note Assignment is blank.

SECOND QUESTION / ISSUE
On the same subject: how do I get playback for percussion sounds that show up on a Finale dropdown menu (but may not be in the sound bank of my MIDI controller)?
For instance, "snare rim" and "ratchet" are options in Finale, but I cannot get any playback.
If a tone is listed in Finale, shouldn't there be some sort of corresponding "built-in" sound that does not require my MIDI controller?

Many thanks for your help,
Rick

Finale 2014d
iMac 2013 2.7 GHz i5 — running Yosemite
M-Audio Keystation 49e

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Zuill
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Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 1/7/2016 10:12 AM (GMT -6)

If you select the box to only show notes in the currently selected map, and the type in the slot above the checkbox shows the name in italics, then the sound is not available in that map.

Zuill

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814jazzer
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Date Joined May 2011
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Posted 1/7/2016 10:28 AM (GMT -6)

Does this mean that, even if that option is de-selected, then I still can't add new sounds to that map?

As a side note, I had already de-selected that option before adding the new notes. (See the attached Finale doc).

Many thanks, Zuill.
Rick

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Peter Thomsen
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Date Joined Jun 2000
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Posted 1/7/2016 11:14 AM (GMT -6)

Rick,

Both your screen shots show the Percussion Layout Designer.

To get a specific sound, you can
- choose a Percussion MIDI Map that has the sound,
- edit an already existing Percussion MIDI Map,
- create a new Percussion MIDI Map.

This is done in the Percussion MIDI Map Editor.

As Far As I Know, Percussion MIDI Maps are not saved in the Finale document, but rather in a Finale folder.
But you perhaps already knew that.

Peter

Mac Finale, 2012c, 2014d & 2014.5, Dolet 6.6 plug-in, Mac OS X 10.9.5, iMac Intel Core i7, 2.93 GHz, 16 GB RAM

Zuill
"The Troll"

Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 1/7/2016 11:28 AM (GMT -6)

814jazzer said...
Does this mean that, even if that option is de-selected, then I still can't add new sounds to that map?

As a side note, I had already de-selected that option before adding the new notes. (See the attached Finale doc).

Many thanks, Zuill.
Rick

When you deselect the option, you can choose instruments that are not in the chosen map. However, as you have discovered, they won't play back. If you want to know which sounds will play back, then choose the option.

Zuill

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814jazzer
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Posted 1/7/2016 2:40 PM (GMT -6)

Zuill...

Soooo....how do I get those sounds to playback?
I've take Peter's advice and worked on editing percussion MIDI map. This worked for the sounds that my MIDI controller has, but not for other sounds listed in the drop-down menu, like "Snare Drum Rim."

Rick

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Zuill
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Posted 1/7/2016 3:39 PM (GMT -6)

I have been able to create a hybrid layout in the past using sounds from 2 different maps by having one map assigned to each of 2 layers. I don't know if that will work for you. It takes some diligence and savvy to get it done, but can work.

Zuill

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SLHines
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Posted 12/20/2016 9:35 PM (GMT -6)

Zuill could you elaborate on how you did the hybrid layout? And how did you save the hybrid so that it can be used? I'd like to try that as the maps I have created have resulted in many notes that don't playback.

Also, is there anyway to get a newly created map to show up in the Sound menu of the score manager or are we stuck with those selections provided (forced upon us) by MakeMusic?

Many thanks

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Zuill
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Posted 12/21/2016 1:43 AM (GMT -6)

We just had a thread on this in the recent past. I think I posted a sample. I'll have to look for it.

Zuill

P.S.: http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=488950&g=489071#m489071

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Post Edited (Zuill) : 12/21/2016 12:50:06 AM (GMT-6)

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