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Skjalg
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| Posted 2/17/2014 4:05 AM (GMT -6) |   | The pickup measure is one third of an 8th triplet. Time signature is x/4.
Skjalg Bjørstad, Norway
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Peter Thomsen
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| Posted 2/17/2014 4:53 AM (GMT -6) | | Skjalg,
1) There is nothing wrong in beginning a pickup measure with a rest - I can give you other examples of a pickup measure that begins with a rest.
In your example the meaning is clear, and it can not be misunderstood.
2) Also, you could omit/hide the rest, and display only the in-complete triplet note.
In that case I would remove the triplet's left hook, to make clear that the pickup note begins "off-beat".
3) See the attached graphic for some other ideas.
Peter
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Skjalg
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| Posted 2/17/2014 5:08 AM (GMT -6) | | Interesting. Thank you!
BTW - I don't like the way Finale handles pickup measures (it's pure cosmetics, not "real" pickup measures). If you use Finale's PM within a repeat (for multiple verses), playback turns out ...interesting. So I, and many others, I guess, make "real" pickup measures; change time sig, display another time sig, excludes the new PM from measure numbering. Never understood why Finale doesn't do it automatically that way by default.
Skjalg Bjørstad, Norway
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Peter Thomsen
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| Posted 2/17/2014 11:40 AM (GMT -6) | | Skjalg said...
I…BTW - I don't like the way Finale handles pickup measures (it's pure cosmetics, not "real" pickup measures). If you use Finale's PM within a repeat (for multiple verses), playback turns out ...interesting. So I, and many others, I guess, make "real" pickup measures; change time sig, display another time sig, excludes the new PM from measure numbering. Never understood why Finale doesn't do it automatically that way by default.
Finale's feature "Pickup Measure" dates back to the very old Finale versions (Finale 3 or even older?).
The {pickup measure layout} is created with the Mirror Tool's invisible {placeholder rests}, a fact you can hear in playback.
Try e. g. an 8th note pickup in a slow 12/8 time…
BTW, the Mirror Tool is another feature that dates back to very old Finale versions.
The only advantage in using {Document menu > Pickup Measure…} is that it automatically excludes the pickup measure from measure numbering.
Peter
PS
I wonder whether it is possible to write a Finalescript script, that can create a pickup measure in the newer and better way via the Time Signature Tool.
Can a script be interactive, and display a dialog box where you can specify a pickup duration?
I believe it is possible to write a plug-in, that can do the trick.
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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 2/17/2014 12:27 PM (GMT -6) | | I know I've asked this before, but:
Are there rules about how many (or how few) beats should be in a pickup measure, related to the time signature? When should you use a rest, and when should you just start with the note? Does it depend on whether it's a beat, or an offbeat?
Mike Rosen
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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 2/17/2014 5:13 PM (GMT -6) | | Motet said...
Mike, I think a rest would be needed only to clarify the rhythm, as in the present triplet example, or perhaps a dotted rhythm. Otherwise, not necessary.
So, the pickup is the note(s), and that's all. Got it! Thanks.
Mike Rosen
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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 2/18/2014 1:31 AM (GMT -6) | | Jack Clark said...Mike Rosen said...
No doubt! But the majority of the people who use my transcriptions are (to be kind) less skilled than the orchestras (orchestrae?) that you deal with. And for many of them, even coming in on the beat is a challenge! Motet said...
I think it's always acceptable to add rests so that the pickup is a whole beat, if not strictly necessary, if that makes it easier for the singers you deal with. Exactly what I do for our little amateur band and exactly why I do it. I mean, when you're playing with people who ask questions like "should I come in faster or slower?" . . .
But even that's better than "Wait. What song are we doing?"
Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com
Bass with Choir of the Sound www.choirofthesound.org
Volunteer notation editor (The Gang of Eight) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html
Finale 2010, 2011, 2012c, 2014a on Mac 10.9.1
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
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