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josefern
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Date Joined Jan 2007
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| Posted 11/9/2013 9:44 PM (GMT -6) |   | Finale 2014 has a big audio problem.
Mac Pro Mavericks 10.9 Finale 2014 "Audio Engine failed to load." error.
I don't have any playback in either midi or audio units. I've tried doing all of MM's recommended fixes and it still does not work.
Do I have to wipe off all previous finale versions and instruments?
Finale 2012 works fine for audio, But 2014 is dead on arrival. Very time-wasting and frustrating. What else should I do? | | Back to Top | |
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JustinP
Senior Product Manager
Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 822
| Posted 11/9/2013 11:47 PM (GMT -6) | | Marc Bischoff said...
Why why why why? This is the question I have constantly when using the demo of F2014. Is this what marketing departments do nowadays? Rush programmers into releasing unfinished software? Shame on them.
Why is Finale 2014 so slow? I opened a large orchestra file (34 staves) to put F2014 to the test. Conclusion? Unworkable. Scrolling with mouse-wheel has a 2sec delay. Every single time. It's so bad, it reminds me of the first Finale version on OSX. Simply dreadful and unworkable.
Why is the focus when editing expression on the description-field and not text-fiels as it used to be? Why change that? Why why why? it drives me nuts.
Why do things that obviously enhance productivity don't get included? Like as search field in the expression selection window. Why? Am I the only one having big expression libraries, every time scrolling through lists to find a specific one, or scribbling expression numbers on a piece of paper to remember them faster. I mean seriously. A simple search entry field. How hard can it be?
Instead we get magnetic palettes? What was wrong withe old ones? Nobody EVER complaint about them. I at least didn't even notice there was something wrong with them. Instead I would have loved to see more shortcuts. Finale is the most mouse-intensive program I use. I program my now shortcuts in the keyboard-preference window, but why do I have to do that. Compare the extensive (customizable) shortcut list of a program like Logic Pro, Protools or Cubase and see what I mean.
Now that would be productivity enhancement.
The new sound engine sucks big time. It stutters, doesn't run smooth at all, it has "ghost tails" when switching tools. And the new mixer isn't new at all. Just in a new coat of paint. Not all like previous versions of Finale.
Why change something that was good and make it worse?
Meanwhile: the hugely annoying font bug (discussed elsewhere on this forum) is still there. Why why? 3 years sinds the last update.
There are so many clear and user-demanded features and bugs that we would be happy to pay for to get them added or fixed.
I am startled why a company would make these kind of choices. Finale users are pro's that get dollars for hours. Every hour wasted on waiting for Finale to scroll or redraw the screen (did I mention that it is dreadfully slow?) is a direct loss in money.
And I didn't mention the countless crashhes I has, only trying to open the program for the first time. When Finale 2014 ttys to scan au-plugins it crashes countlessly. Why? Why? Other programs I use scanthem just fine, and report if a plug in is not validated.. Why the crashes? (I talking like 10-15 crashes!!!)
F2014 also crashes every time I try to delete a user generated expression- category. Why? Why? all that was working fine?
So disappointed. Happy I didn't pay for this.
Sorry to see you're having some issues, the slow behavior is not normal and not the experience we encountered internally nor in extensive beta testing, same for the crashes. Have you been in touch with support regarding this?
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Justin Phillips
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Dr. Wiggy
Early music: modern methods
Date Joined Jun 2006
Total Posts : 12628
| Posted 11/10/2013 7:11 AM (GMT -6) | | Indeed. For me, I found the changes to Layout introduced in 2011 to be a great improvement over the old way. So much faster, so much more flexible. Particularly when combined with Jari's Extend Selection plug-in, which easily allows to to select a region whose staves you can then adjust.
As for 2014, there are considerable improvements to notation: The layer fix for rests and accidentals and the improvements to hairpins et al were all very high on the list of Things Complained about.
Finale still retains all its ability to tweak and adjust that professional have always had. Yes, some lacunae are still there, particularly fractional point sizes. But for me every new version has brought something that improves my workflow and makes things faster and easier.
Admittedly, I'm not writing aleatoric symphonies for Patagonian nose flutes and ululating mezzos. 
I've found 2014 to be solid, reliable, fast. Are there some rough edges to the UI? Yes. A few bugs need fixing? Yes.
"This is me helping."
Finale 2014, 2.6Ghz 2012 MacMini 16Gb RAM (10.9); 2009 MacBook
Edirol FA-66; M-Audio Oxygen 61; Yamaha PSR-410, HP Laserjet 5200 DTN
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Michel R. E.
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| Posted 11/10/2013 12:50 PM (GMT -6) | | Marc Bischoff said...
Enchanting conversations about absolutly nothing.
Nothing to say on the topic? Then why bother?
Continue on facebook. Please!
After 3 posts is NOT the very best time to be bitching at other forum users.
Particularly when your very first post to this long-standing community was a ridiculously melodramatic, over-the-top, tirade against Finale.
Now, since your topic actually WAS answered somewhere in the preceding messages, maybe you could take a couple of deep breaths and calm down a little?
People who start their tenure on this forum in the same vein as you have TEND to end up on peoples' ignore lists, which means you MAY end up not getting the future help you might require.
Finale (started with ver. 3.0) 2010, 2011, 2012b installed
Win XP
basically ALL Garritan sounds, plus XSample Chamber Ensemble.
"Art critics suffer from Pigeon Syndrome. Pigeons like to leave their mark on monuments. But at the end of the day, the pigeon remains a pigeon, and the monument remains a monument." | | Back to Top | |
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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 11/10/2013 12:51 PM (GMT -6) | | Marc, that's what we do, here. Most of us are friends of long acquaintance. If you're not happy with the fact that we're not falling all over ourselves to support your complaints, well, maybe you'll get the point.
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Finale 2010, 2011, 2012c, 2014 on Mac 10.9
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker." | | Back to Top | |
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Writer of Music
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Date Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts : 848
| Posted 11/10/2013 6:41 PM (GMT -6) | | Off topic nonsens is more counterproductive than a negative first post (which, if you had cared to read the thread is NOT his first post) and there are quite a few "ridiculously melodramatic, over-the-top, bitching" posts since. Please people, if you want to fool around, create a separate thread, or better: a separate board, for your bantering. Make it a private thread or board, because your sense of humour is certainly not shared by all.
Can we now return to the problems reported? Thank you.
Finale 2014, but switched back to 2012c
Mac OS X 10.9, 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 | | Back to Top | |
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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 11/10/2013 6:44 PM (GMT -6) | | | |
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MowingDevil
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Date Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts : 52
| Posted 11/10/2013 9:56 PM (GMT -6) | | Wow, gotta say I'll hold off on this update for several reasons. I was planning on upgrading over the Christmas break, in the middle of too many projects right now & don't want to deal w/ any updating issues. Now, I may wait even longer unless these bugs are resolved.
I seriously thought, be taking an additional year to provide a new version, that Finale was either going to be a major overhaul or at least be released close-to bug free. With beta testers & the additional time there is no excuse for all these bugs. If it wasn't ready for release they should have waited until it was fixed. Minor bugs are to be expected. Perhaps they rushed it to take advantage of the Sibelius debacle.
I'm very pleased w/ some of the new features Finale now has but there certainly could have been more. For now, I'll continue on with 2012...and Snow Leopard....and Logic Pro 9 etc. If it works it works. | | Back to Top | |
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Philip.
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