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Flint
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| Posted 8/22/2012 8:06 PM (GMT -6) |   | I am drawing a total blank here... is there a term for the combination of bowed and fingered tremolo on a string instrument? (i.e., rapidly changing notes or strings while also bowing an unmeasured tremolo)
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Michel R. E.
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| Posted 8/23/2012 8:17 AM (GMT -6) | | @ Bill: on a string instrument, a tremolo can mean:
1) passing the bow rapidly from one string to another thus creating an alternation of two notes
2) on the same string, alternating rapidly between two fingered notes within one bow stroke (if the interval is larger than a 2nd, it is a tremolo, and not a trill)
3) rapid back-and-forth bowing on a single or multiple string(s), effectively repeating a note rapidly.
@ Flint I'm not sure I understand what you mean...
could you give an example?
I don't quite see what you mean by "combination of bowed and fingered" tremolo.
do you mean "in a passage"? or at the same time?
I don't see how a tremolo passage can be both fingered (on a single string) and bowed (on two strings).
as far as I know, there is no specific terminology regarding the type of tremolo.
I can't even find any sure-fire means of identifying when a tremolo is intended to be bowed rather than fingered, other than context (ie: if it CAN be bowed, or if it CAN be fingered). There seems to be a lot of leeway in this regard.
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Michel R. E.
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| Posted 8/23/2012 9:18 AM (GMT -6) | | David Ward said...
I suspect the only simple way to indicate the difference is whether of not there's a slur between the two notes of the tremolo. That's not 100% reliable though, as scores are not consistent in their use of this slur. I'm unaware of any simple term to distinguish between a slurred two-note tremolo and one in which the bow goes very rapidly back and forth, as in a bowed tremolo, while the fingers alternate between two notes - one supposes on the same string.
Whether a tremolo is fingered or bowed across two strings, there MUST be a slur.
Lack of a slur does not indicate a fingered tremolo.
And honestly, I just don't see how one could finger a tremolo on a single string AND change bow directions at every finger change... which is what you appear to be suggesting with your latter description. Rapidly fingering a tremolo, while doing a single-string /// tremolo at the same time? that's just not going to be a pretty sound.
Our problem here is that the same term is used to describe at least three different physical realities:
- rapid back and forth of the bow on a single string (or two at once)
- rapid rocking movement across two strings with a slight up-down movement, thus alternating the sounding of the two strings
- rapidly lifting and setting down a single finger on a single string, to create a repetition of an interval, while drawing the bow across the string
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Zuill
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| Posted 8/23/2012 10:08 AM (GMT -6) | | |
This link gives some direction: Bowed-and-Fingered Tremolo
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P.S.: Page 362 describes it and its notation.
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Flint
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| Posted 8/23/2012 10:25 AM (GMT -6) | | Zuill, you are a marvel. Yes, the bowed-and-fingered tremolo (both versions - on two strings and on the same string) is what I was looking for. I knew I had seen it somewhere!
I suppose I'll have to include an explanation on the part if I decide to use it. :-p
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Zuill
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| Posted 8/23/2012 11:10 AM (GMT -6) | | Try clicking on the Page 357 link at the top and then scroll to 362. They usually only allow a limited number of pages to be previewed.
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Flint
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| Posted 8/23/2012 1:07 PM (GMT -6) | | I've read the Forsyth previously, I just don't currently own it. At the time when I had read it, I was much less interested in writing for strings, I suppose.
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If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read
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