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kadf1999
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Posted 7/29/2011 10:17 PM (GMT -6)

how much was it?

heinzfan
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Date Joined Mar 1999
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Posted 7/31/2011 9:17 AM (GMT -6)

"Makemusic can solve the problem of MIDI CC#11. In Finale 2011, users can't change dynamics when using MIDI CC#11 with East West Libraries so that users think the crescendo don't work at all when using EW. Therefore, we hope we can draw dynamic hairpins as we like and hear them work better in Finale 2012. The problem has existed for many years since Finale 2007."

It's also a similar problem for the playback of CC#7, volume, through a text expression (regardless of the the library or synth), where the volume is changed by a percentage of the existing value rather than by the midi value. If your midi volume is 80, changing it to 90 via text expression CC7 sets the new volume to 72, not 90.

I've seen other software I used either go belly-up or (as in the case of Adobe Audition) "upgraded" but in actuality stripped down to the point of uselessness. I hope this doesn't occur with Finale.

Michael Ducharme
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Posted 7/31/2011 10:31 PM (GMT -6)

I have not found a problem with CC11. It works fine, as does CC7 (although I really do not like or suggest the use of CC7 - any library that is well programmed will not force you to use CC7 for dynamics). Perhaps you have not set your Human Playback to use CC11 instead of CC1 for those samples? Note that making rules based on library or patch name will not work here, due to a bug with Kontakt support.

CC1 is a bigger problem. The CC1 setting in HP is designed for Garritan libraries, where key velocity is used for attack. It sends key velocity values equal to the attack of the notes. Many libraries that use CC1 as a dynamic controller also use key velocity as a secondary dynamic controller. This results in somewhat random dynamic differences from note to note, which can sound pretty awful. There should be two CC1 options, one for CC1 with key velocity for Garritan instruments, and one with CC1 with key velocity treated as a secondary dynamic controller as it is in most libraries.

Colinoid
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Posted 8/9/2011 5:39 AM (GMT -6)

Any update on Finale 2012 yet? A more specific date perhaps? Even a month? I'm about to finally upgrade from 2009, and I'm assuming that now it's worth waiting for 2012 before I do so.

C.

jzucker
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Posted 8/10/2011 6:45 AM (GMT -6)

i have a similar issue. Just got an update notice for Sibelius 7. I want to upgrade to a 64 bit version of either but not both.

jzucker
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Posted 8/10/2011 12:13 PM (GMT -6)

Looks like Sibelius supports DTP features with Hierarchical styles within scores. For a book author (such as myself) this potentially eliminates the need for using Adobe Indesign for layout. That's huge for me. Will Finale support anything similar? If not, looks like it's a done deal.

Les Preludes
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Posted 8/10/2011 12:46 PM (GMT -6)

Just curious -

What are "DeskTopPublishing features with Hierarchical styles within scores"?

Les

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jzucker
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Posted 8/10/2011 12:59 PM (GMT -6)

hierarchical styles are components of publishing layout design software used to author books, magazine articles, etc. It means that you can author a professional, print-ready document from within Sibelius 7 without resorting to other tools. In the past, you typically authored the document in a publishing layout package and imported the music as PDF or TIF files. Sibelius 7 (and hopefully finale 2012) allow you to do everything from within the music layout tool.

Saffron
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Posted 8/10/2011 12:59 PM (GMT -6)

Les Preludes said...
Just curious -

What are "DeskTopPublishing features with Hierarchical styles within scores"?

Les

WOW! Something I've long time wanted, and occasionally discussed on this forum. Where did you see this?

Brian

Les Preludes
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Posted 8/10/2011 1:20 PM (GMT -6)

jzucker said...
hierarchical styles are components of publishing layout design software used to author books, magazine articles, etc. It means that you can author a professional, print-ready document from within Sibelius 7 without resorting to other tools. In the past, you typically authored the document in a publishing layout package and imported the music as PDF or TIF files. Sibelius 7 (and hopefully finale 2012) allow you to do everything from within the music layout tool.

Anotherwords, fairly advanced typographical controls, for starters. That's good!

Les

Finale 2010, 2011
Mac OSX 10.6.4

The nastiest fellow I've known
Smashed his trombone and ruined its tone.
There's a simple excuse
For his slush pump abuse:
He was born to be bad to the bone.

jzucker
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Posted 8/10/2011 1:52 PM (GMT -6)

Saffron said...

Les Preludes said...
Just curious -

What are "DeskTopPublishing features with Hierarchical styles within scores"?

Les

WOW! Something I've long time wanted, and occasionally discussed on this forum. Where did you see this?

Brian

It's on the list of features for sibelius 7. I wish Makemusic would at least comment on whether this will be in their next release.

Nev
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Posted 9/17/2011 11:13 AM (GMT -6)

Now mid September and still no news of when 2012 will be released, any one heard anything on the grapevine?

Finale print music 2004. Finale 2006c Notepad 2007. and other notation programs. XP sp1 home. cornet player, and sometime guitar strummer. location- Lancashire, UK.

Les Preludes
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Posted 9/17/2011 12:20 PM (GMT -6)

They said "Fall 2011". It's not fall until next week, unless you go by "meteorological fall", which started September 1st. All in good time, friend.

Les

Finale 2010, 2011
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warrenbarnett
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Posted 9/17/2011 12:27 PM (GMT -6)

The longer, the better, in my mind, as long as they are taking the time to get the bugs out.

Warren Barnett

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Ron.
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Posted 9/17/2011 1:20 PM (GMT -6)

After all this delay I expect something amazing. Anything less and I will be disappointed.

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warrenbarnett
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Posted 9/17/2011 1:41 PM (GMT -6)

I don't care about anything new, as long as the bugs and blatant programming mistakes are corrected. (A mistake isn't a bug, nor is it an error). Lots and lots and lots of mistakes in the percussion.

Warren Barnett

Windows 7

Finale 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

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Garritan Personal Orchestra 4.01
Garritan Jazz & Big Band

Garritan Jazz & Big Band 2

Garritan Jazz & Big Band 3

Garritan Concert & Marching Band

Garritan Concert & Marching Band 2

Garritan World Instruments

Garritan Steinway Piano Basic Edition

Tapspace Virtual Drumline 2.52

Les Preludes
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Posted 9/17/2011 2:46 PM (GMT -6)

warrenbarnett said...
I don't care about anything new, as long as the bugs and blatant programming mistakes are corrected. (A mistake isn't a bug, nor is it an error). Lots and lots and lots of mistakes in the percussion.

Well, I'd say a mistake is an error.

Les

Finale 2010, 2011
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The Realms of Gold
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Posted 9/17/2011 2:54 PM (GMT -6)

According to MakeMusic, people who do serious composing with Finale (most of the returning users here) make up about two percent of the user base. I expect absolutely no significant bugfixes in the upcoming version; new features are much more important for the company's business. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see options for using the old percussion mapping appear alongside the new system, similar to the concessions MM made for staff/note expressions in 2009 when they realized people were using them differently than intended. (Remember that?)

I finally tried Sibelius last night, after years of refusing to even touch it. You can't imagine my smile. I felt like a Christmas tree somebody just plugged in.

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Saffron
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Posted 9/17/2011 5:25 PM (GMT -6)

Les Preludes said...
They said "Fall 2011". It's not fall until next week, unless you go by "meteorological fall", which started September 1st. All in good time, friend.

Les

It's "fall" as you guys call it, big time. Haven't seen proper sunshine for over a month, and first frosts forming. It's definitely "fall" ...

... for those of us on this side of the pond, that means - er - fall.

Brian

warrenbarnett
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Posted 9/17/2011 6:40 PM (GMT -6)

Les Preludes said...

Well, I'd say a mistake is an error.

If you measure something such as a volume or length with a measureing device, it will always be in error, because you can always get a more accuate device or method of measuring (as in "close, but no cigar"). A mistake, is something which is just plain wrong, such as a spelling misteak (sp).

Warren Barnett

Windows 7

Finale 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

Garritan Personal Orchestra 2

Garritan Personal Orchestra 4.01
Garritan Jazz & Big Band

Garritan Jazz & Big Band 2

Garritan Jazz & Big Band 3

Garritan Concert & Marching Band

Garritan Concert & Marching Band 2

Garritan World Instruments

Garritan Steinway Piano Basic Edition

Tapspace Virtual Drumline 2.52

Fritz Meissner
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Posted 9/18/2011 1:16 AM (GMT -6)

Ron. said...
After all this delay I expect something amazing. Anything less and I will be disappointed.

I hate to be negative since I really do wish MM well, but the press release was about new technology: notation is not new technology, so I suspect we're talking something of the order of iPad, or something new new in playback sounds. Since new technology inevitably has new bugs, we should start preparing ourselves for the old bugs plus a whole crop of new ones.

Don't set your expectations so high that you can only be disappointed by the reality.

Fritz

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Ronwass
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Posted 9/18/2011 10:13 AM (GMT -6)

Hey, Makemusic is in Minnesota, isn't it? It's practically winter there by now, right?

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jms3music
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Posted 9/18/2011 10:23 AM (GMT -6)

Fritz has a good point. I was thinking more along the lines of new technology behind the coding (which itself might then enable the support of new features and improved stability).

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Saffron
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Posted 9/18/2011 11:13 AM (GMT -6)

I'd hate to be accused of cynicism, and really hope I'm wrong, VERY wrong, but this ongoing silence is almost deafening. I mean, iOS 5 is out in "Fall", but we've all known most of what it will give us for months. Likewise anyone who follows the likes of Microsoft, Adobe, and many other industry standard companies, generally knows the gist, if not the detail, of software and hardware releases months, sometimes more than a year, before release.

But the total lack of any info, other than, "Wait, you'll be amazed", worries me.

Not that MM would do it to us, their loyal band of users, but we'd all certainly be "amazed" if on, say, 25 Dec 11, MM said, "That's it, we're outa here, go get a quill pen".

I think its time for a few heads-up "leaks" from the company we all support and keep in business ...

Brian

Motet
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Posted 9/18/2011 11:57 AM (GMT -6)

Who said, "Wait--you'll be amazed"?

Unless they fix one of my pet peeves like playing transposed pitch during data entry I doubt I'll upgrade--I waited six years last time (admittedly I should have only waited three or four). Or if the new UI somehow improves productivity.

Finale 2011b, 2005b, TGTools

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