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  		   Posted 12/22/2016 8:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When "Automatically Constrain Dragging" is set in the preferences, why can slurs still be dragged in any direction (without shift being pressed)?

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  		   Posted 12/26/2016 3:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So, why can slurs be moved all over the place when "Constraint Dragging" is checked in the preferences?

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  		   Posted 12/26/2016 4:57 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

A quote from the User's Manual:

"Constrained dragging is temporarily disabled while slurs are being edited. Use SHIFT to enable it while editing slurs."


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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 12:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Exactly, so why do slurs not follow the rules? Rule is that all movable items can be dragged in any direction unless one check's "Constrain Dragging" in the preferences. In the latter case only pressing shift will allow dragging in all directions. Slurs act in an exact opposite fashion. And only slurs — other smart shapes do follow the rules.
Why is this application so very inconsistent in so many respects?

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 12:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Given the nature of slurs, unconstrained is probably a more useful default, is my guess, since it seems deliberate rather than an oversight.

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 4:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Writer of Music said...
When "Automatically Constrain Dragging" is set in the preferences, why can slurs still be dragged in any direction (without shift being pressed)?

Because that's the way it is designed.
 
Quote from manual: "Constrained dragging is temporarily disabled while slurs are being edited."
 
With SHIFT held down, constrained dragging is back in effect where you can move in one direction only, the first direction you move with SHIFT held down.
 
Quote from manual: "Use SHIFT to enable it while editing slurs."
 
If you enable "Automatically constrain dragging" in preferences, everything but slurs will be constrained from the outset, and pressing SHIFT will release the constraint temporarily.  As Motet suggested, unconstrained dragging of slurs, even if constrained dragging is turned on from the outset, seems the most logical default action.

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 6:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dear mr. Lawrence, I am able to read. Are you?

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 6:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Writer of Music said...
Dear mr. Lawrence, I am able to read. Are you?


there's no need for you to be your usual jacka$$.
you've gotten two perfectly reasonable and valid answers, one from Motet, and one from Charles.

it's interesting to note that you keep posting your xxxxxing and moaning and almost never seem to post to help others.
I think I'll do like so many others have done and simply put you on ignore from now on.

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 6:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Do as you please, mr. Edward. Whether or not you will ignore me doesn't change the fact that slurs do act contrary to the preferences the user sets, which is exactly what I asked about.

As for your assumption that I hardly ever help anyone, I can but lol.

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 7:21 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My impression as well is that you do little besides complain.

But again, why complain to us? It's not going to fix the things you complain about. We don't know why things haven't been fixed. We don't know why slurs behave the way they do. How could we know that?

It seems like a total waste of time to me, and the only thing your are accomplishing is looking like a fool.

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Post Edited (Motet) : 12/27/2016 6:24:57 PM (GMT-6)

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 7:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Why complain here? Because nothing will improve Finale when I'm the only one telling MakeMusic that there are many improvements to be made. But by all means, please be perfectly happy with an imperfect piece of software.

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 7:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Writer of Music said...
Dear mr. Lawrence, I am able to read. Are you?

Of course I am able to read.  It would appear that either you cannot read or cannot comprehend what is read.  I posted a quote from the user's manual that explains that while editing slurs, which includes when you first enter them, that, by design, unconstrained movement overrides any constraint on editing slurs, unless pressing SHIFT.  That seems to be a logical default for slurs, since they are so flexible.
 
O dear me! I have done what I said I would never do again.  That is, to respond to whoever the "Writer of Music" is.  I, long ago, said I would refuse to respond to any post from that user.  I did not put this person on ignore.  I thought that over a period of time, this user would become more civil.  Alas, it has not, and apparently will not, happen.  Believe me now, when I once again say that I will never again respond to a post from whoever this person is.

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  		   Posted 12/27/2016 7:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And in return I will be freed from comments that completely miss the point.

Have we learned a lesson?
By now, some of you must find me as annoying as I find the shortcomings and flaws in Finale. It bugs you, doesn’t it? Only difference is, you could have chosen to ignore me as you said you would (but didn’t, you rather felt the urge to be hostile and insult me, uncalled for), I , on the other hand, can’t ignore the incongruences and inconsistencies of Finale, because they are there. And guess what, they bug me as well.

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Post Edited (Writer of Music) : 12/27/2016 8:18:06 PM (GMT-6)

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