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John Ruggero
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Date Joined Mar 2000
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Posted 12/4/2016 6:30 PM (GMT -6)

I'd better post this before it is too late!

On my setup, if one has something other than 100% set in Finale Preferences>New>New Document Windows>View Percent, when the new window comes up the rulers are all wrong. At 200%, each inch is only .5 inches, at 300%, only .333 inches, 400% .25 inches etc.

In the attached file, the preference was set at 800% and each "inch" in the Finale Default File is only 1/8th of an inch!

Fortunately, this is immediately corrected by zooming to some other percentage.

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Zuill
"The Troll"

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Posted 12/4/2016 11:40 PM (GMT -6)

Have you recreated your preferences as a test?

Zuill

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N. Grossingink
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Posted 12/5/2016 1:33 PM (GMT -6)

I noticed this when I first installed Finale 2014, 3 years ago. It persists in 2014.5 and doesn't seem preferences related.

John, your finding that there is a mathematical link to the view percentage is a crafty bit of troubleshooting!

N.

OSX El Capitan 10.11.6
Finale 2011c, 2012c for production work

Finale 2014.5, not used by my clients

(Finale v25 - not interested yet)

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John Ruggero
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Posted 12/5/2016 5:31 PM (GMT -6)

Thanks for responding Zuill and N. I should have mentioned that it is only in Page View that this happens.

N., I dislike messing with the preferences file and am glad that I don't have to! I wonder if this bug is also in Finale 2016? And thank you so much for the compliment; it means a lot.

Hard to believe that these days are coming to an end. Very sad. Perhaps someone will do an OCTO. and create a new forum.

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Kurzweil Mark 5 with M-Audio Midisport 2 x 2, Adobe InDesign CS4, SmartScore X Pro, JW Plug-ins
www.cantilenapress.com

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gogreen
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Posted 12/5/2016 6:10 PM (GMT -6)

Somebody said...
Hard to believe that these days are coming to an end. Very sad. Perhaps someone will do an OCTO. and create a new forum.

I agree, but there's this.

Arthur J. Michaels

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Vaughan
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Posted 12/5/2016 6:29 PM (GMT -6)

Have you had any experience with that forum? Those of us who have visited it or tried to use it aren't by any means enthusiastic about its design, setup or possibilities, let alone the increasingly hands-off policy of MM regarding their forums. Perhaps you should read the last few posts in this thread:
forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=489273

Vaughan

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Vaughan
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Posted 12/5/2016 6:39 PM (GMT -6)

about the original subject... I'm a great lover of crafty sleuthing but I'm afraid I can't reproduce this. I tried changing my preferences (my default zoom has always been other than 100%) and loading both new and old documents, but all displayed normally. I even tried changing the measurement units but that didn't make any difference. I'm curious if anyone else is able to reproduce John's problem.

Vaughan

Finale 3.2 - 25.1, Sibelius 4 - 7
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Amsterdam

Motet
Isorhythmic

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Posted 12/5/2016 8:20 PM (GMT -6)

Arthur was pointing to a non-MM forum.

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Mike Rosen
himself

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Posted 12/5/2016 10:15 PM (GMT -6)

I am one of the moderators at finaleforum.com. Peter Thomsen is the other. We welcome all of you there. The breadth and depth of knowledge on this forum must not be lost to the community, regardless of the misguided notions of MM management.

Mike Rosen
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Vaughan
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Posted 12/6/2016 4:26 AM (GMT -6)

My apologies. I thought Arthur was referring to MM's Finale site.

Vaughan

Finale 3.2 - 25.1, Sibelius 4 - 7
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MacOS 10.12
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John Ruggero
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Posted 12/6/2016 6:56 AM (GMT -6)

Dear Arthur,

Thank you for the reminder.

Dear Mike,

Thank you for your kind invitation. I just joined finaleforum and will start any future threads at that site.

Charles Lawrence
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Posted 12/6/2016 9:42 AM (GMT -6)

John,

I am on Windows10 with F25.1. I tried an experiment to test your reported bug. I see no such problem. All new default document rulers were correct at whatever percentage I set in Preferences. Maybe this is a Mac thing.

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Zuill
"The Troll"

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Posted 12/6/2016 10:37 AM (GMT -6)

Same here. Windows doesn't seem to have the problem.

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

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John Ruggero
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Posted 12/6/2016 10:41 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks for checking, Charles and Zuill.

David Ward
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Posted 12/6/2016 10:55 AM (GMT -6)

Vaughan said...
… … I'm curious if anyone else is able to reproduce John's problem.

Yes it happens here, but is cured as soon as I go to any other zoom and then back.

David Ward
www.composers-uk.com/davidward

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Post Edited (David Ward) : 12/6/2016 10:03:09 AM (GMT-6)

Dr. Wiggy
Early music: modern methods

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Posted 12/6/2016 11:28 AM (GMT -6)

Yes, I've seen it and had reported it earlier.

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John Ruggero
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Date Joined Mar 2000
Total Posts : 820

Posted 12/6/2016 11:36 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks, David. That makes three lucky ones of us.

I notice that you have contributed to Finale Forum and enjoyed your comment about Beethoven and his use of 128th notes and higher. I just made my first post there. It was easy and my signature, avatar and such all worked well. It would seem relatively painless for MM forum users to move to that site without skipping even a 128th-note.

John Ruggero
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Date Joined Mar 2000
Total Posts : 820

Posted 12/6/2016 11:46 AM (GMT -6)

And with Dr. Wiggy, that makes four. Did you report it on this forum? I did do due diligence before I posted and google-searched for it without success. If only they had decided to upgrade this site, particular the search function, instead of creating a different one.

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