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Nikk P.
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| Posted 9/15/2016 4:27 PM (GMT -6) |   | I've never had an upgrade fail so spectacularly at basic issues - in this case, speed.
We all want to work both smart *and* fast...and while I certainly appreciate the fact that Fin25 introduces some much-needed upgrades to the underlying code, it simply becomes entirely too slow when used for more than 30 minutes at a time.
I held off on making this post, because I wanted to test out these issues on several laptops - I can say that this problem exists on several laptops, 2 desktops, and the laptops of a few of my students (who downloaded the demo). (I should add that these are all Macs, and that I understand that PCs are running better overall).
Finale 25 feels rushed - not tested enough on both major platforms, and frankly, the speed issue should have been addressed long before it was released to the public.
Worst yet, for me, is that I upgraded to El Capitan so now I can no longer go back to Finale 2014, and Finale 2014.5 has its own issues.
I feel let down by a company I have supported with my money and in various Sibelius vs Finale debates (even encouraging my students to buy Finale instead of any other notation product). I can only hope that the upcoming Sierra release will break enough things that it forces the programmers to fix the serious problems that abound at the moment.
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Nikk P.
Finale 25
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Nikk P.
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| Posted 9/16/2016 7:42 AM (GMT -6) | | Yes, I am really finding 25 slower than 2015.
I don't use lyrics, I don't use large scores (for the most part, except for a few Schwantner transcriptions I have yet to get to on 25), generally during the Fall I work only on small(ish) 12-stave marching band arrangements, and a few larger ensemble works.
The speed is atrocious, especially after 30 minutes or so.
Add to that the inability to use the JW plugins (Copy Part layout is a HUGE time saver for me), the printing issues I am having, and a few minor irritations, it makes sense for me to head back to 2014.5 (I cannot go back to the previous OS without a rather larger headache that I am willing to put up with).
And actually, 2014 will still work on El Capitan...as long as I don't try to input any articulations or text expressions. That way I can work in 2014.5, then go to 2014 when I am done to be able to use the JW plugins, etc.
It's a tremendous pain in the ass, but....SO much faster than using Finale 25.
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Nikk P.
Finale 25
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Nikk P.
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| Posted 9/16/2016 8:30 AM (GMT -6) | | For sure. If I restart the program, it is slightly more bearable (but still not as fast as it is with Finale 2014 or 2014.5). But after I've been working for a while, say 30 minutes or so, it is too slow for practical purposes.
I've tested Finale 25 not just on my Mac, but on the Macs at work, and also a laptop I did a factory reset on without installing ANYTHING other than Finale 25. After about 30 minutes, the lag became unbearable again. None of my usual programs were installed on this other Mac. Though I will run etre check on my personal laptop to see if there is anything.
My general "test" for speed so far is two-fold:
Selecting a note with Simple Entry, and moving it up and down with the arrow keys. On Finale 2014 it is instantaneous. On Finale 25, there is a noticeable lag, sometimes as much as one second between.
My second test is to move staves around (using when setting up my score (Page View). There is still a lag on this in Finale 2014 that is annoying but workable, but the lag on Finale 25 is unbelievably bad, and this is for a score with only 12-14 staves!
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Nikk P.
Finale 25
Mac OSX 10.11.6
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Skjalg
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| Posted 9/16/2016 2:38 PM (GMT -6) | | Nikk P. said...
Add to that the inability to use the JW plugins...
I will wait with updating until Jari has updated his plug-ins. They are a cornerstone in my workflow.
Skjalg Bjørstad, Norway
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