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Writer of Music
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Posted 3/21/2015 10:19 AM (GMT -6)

I can't seem to get any brass voice (GIfF) to play diminuendi or crescendi. Every other instrument (as far as tested) does. Is this a known bug or is something wrong on my side?

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Writer of Music
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Posted 3/27/2015 9:40 AM (GMT -6)

Since no one recognises this problem, it will probably be an anomaly on my system. Anyone any idea what could possibly be causing this problem and what might be done to repair this? Thanks in advance.

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Zuill
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Posted 3/27/2015 1:14 PM (GMT -6)

Maybe post a sample file we can fix or at least test?

Zuill

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Writer of Music
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Posted 3/27/2015 2:02 PM (GMT -6)

Thank you for your reply. Please find attached a sample file with hairpins in brass that are ignored by Finale.

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Flint
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Posted 3/27/2015 2:19 PM (GMT -6)

Worked fine for me. I got better results by changing the Auto Expression Emphasis slider in the Dynamic/Volume HP preferences to a higher percentage, however.

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Writer of Music
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Posted 3/27/2015 5:00 PM (GMT -6)

On my system there is absolutely no difference between start of the note and end of it in either horn or trumpet. I changed the Auto Expression Emphasis from the default 40% to 60% and 80%, but with no result whatsoever. How can this be?

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Zuill
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Posted 3/27/2015 11:58 PM (GMT -6)

This is where the MIDI Tool is much better for this kind of thing. All HP does is manipulate MIDI data. If you apply a MIDI data volume variation yourself. precisely to what you want, you won't need to rely on the fickle nature of HP. It is fussy, and there's no need to leave it up to chance. If you want to learn about what HP does, apply the HP plugin and then study the MDI data. HP was designed as an easy way to get some variation in playback for those who don't want to take the time with MIDI data, or for those who don't understand MIDI data.

Zuill

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Post Edited (Zuill) : 3/28/2015 1:30:47 AM (GMT-5)

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Writer of Music
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Posted 3/28/2015 5:59 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks for your answer, Zuill.
I use the playback merely as a fast way for checking against writing errors. Constantly having to stop the playback for checking whether I did indeed forget to enter crescendi and diminuendi only to find that Finale refuses to play them (only brass, mind you, everywhere else Finale correctly interprets the hairpins) is tiresome and entirely defeats the purpose of "fast checking".

I do not have a MIDI out, nor do I want one. As such I never took the time to learn anything about MIDI and how to control it. I'm afraid the learning curve and subsequently the application of controlling MIDI data will be far more time consuming than the purpose will justify. Regardless, with or without my control of MIDI, Finale should play crescendi and diminuendi, since it claims to be able to interpret them.

I hesitate to share what your revised file sounds like on my system. There is still no diminuendo, but the trumpets sound like horns (flugelhorns?) and the french horn is silent. I'm fairly sure that's not what you intended.

I have no need for fine tuning the audial result of hairpins, but I do need to hear that they are present. Why do they play back fine on other systems but not mine. And why is the problem restricted to brass, where all other instruments have no problem whatsoever?

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Zuill
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Posted 3/28/2015 9:21 AM (GMT -6)

Oh well. I tried. And I'm not talking about MIDI out. I'm talking about the control of the MIDI data using the MIDI Tool.

Zuill

P.S.: Here's an mp3 of what my file renders.

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Post Edited (Zuill) : 3/28/2015 9:31:10 AM (GMT-5)

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Writer of Music
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Posted 3/29/2015 5:05 AM (GMT -6)

Yes, your mp3 is what it should be and thank you for your effort. But, as I said, on my system your file played the trumpets sounding french horns without the diminuendo and the actual french horn didn't play at all. What can possibly be screwed up so bad on my system that the brass voices ignore all data, whereas all others behave as they should?

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