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Mike Rosen
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   Posted 3/21/2014 10:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Is anyone using this program? I bought it, (and I'm pretty impressed, I must say!) but I'm having problems with keyboard shortcuts. I have questions in to both tech support and their forum, but no replies yet. Nor could I find anything in their Help files, or on Google.

Aha! For once, it wasn't my fault! They have acknowledged that my problems are due to a bug, and not user error. lol

Still, if anyone here is using the program, I'd like to know about their experiences.



Mike Rosen
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Post Edited (Mike Rosen) : 3/21/2014 12:38:58 PM (GMT-5)

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Dr. Wiggy
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   Posted 3/22/2014 4:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A bug in a software product relating to keyboard shortcuts? What are the chances...? :p


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   Posted 3/22/2014 5:05 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I bought Smart Score Pro many years ago, partly in the hope that it could save me some time and partly because I thought it was a promising effort and I wanted to support it. I've bought all the upgrades since then, too. Each time I gave it a fair chance and each time I came to the same conclusion: it's quicker and more secure (for me, at least) to create the document from scratch from one of my templates. Not only does scanning everything and checking the entire score meticulously for OCR mistakes take me more time than inputting by hand, but then there's the matter of text. Finale scores have text windows or boxes, some with inserts for title, composer, instrument and copyright, there are instrument names, lyrics and then expressions in a number of categories. These all need to be re-created or reassigned. I can imagine that some scores might lend themselves to OCR and perhaps even save time for users who don't use MIDI input easily or at all, but personally I prefer to do it myself.


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   Posted 3/22/2014 9:40 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vaughan,
that's what I thought, too, for many years. However, this quarter, my chorus is doing both a Spring Pops concert, and the Verdi Requiem. I wanted to see if the scan would save me any time on getting 14 choral scores ready for MIDI learning tracks. I tried it with the Lite version, and my conclusions were that some of it was OK, but a lot, wasn't. Still, I think it saved me time over manual entry.

I downloaded the demo of SSP. I was immediately impressed by the editing mode. Once the scan is brought in, you have two windows, one above the other. The upper is your scan result, and the lower is the same view of the original. This makes comparison much easier than looking back and forth between the screen and the score. They scroll together. This makes it very easy to proofread.

The feature that I like most is that measures with beat errors are highlighted. This makes it a snap to drop in any missed or misread notes, missed barlines and correct the misread triplets. Since you can correct them ahead of time, you don't get the really bad Finale results of wrong (but hidden) time signatures and overlapped measures.

SSP is not perfect, by any means. And I certainly don't need all of the playback and scoring features. I can do that in Finale. When they fix the couple of bugs that I've found, it will really be another tool in the box.



Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com

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Volunteer notation editor (The Gang of Eight) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2010, 2011, 2012c, 2014a on Mac 10.9.1
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"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."

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   Posted 3/22/2014 1:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
SSP does have good features, like the proofreading mode you mentioned, but just entering the notes is only a portion of the work (depending on the music, of course). Cleaning up the mess with expressions and other text would negate SSP's usefulness for me. How does it deal with lyrics, especially after the file has been imported into Finale? That could be a time-saver.
BTW, great that your choir is doing the Verdi Requiem! Have fun preparing and performing!!


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   Posted 3/22/2014 4:25 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vaughan,
I don't know how it will handle lyrics. I'll give it a try. So far, I've been telling it not to import them.



Mike Rosen
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Volunteer notation editor (The Gang of Eight) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2010, 2011, 2012c, 2014a on Mac 10.9.1
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."

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   Posted 3/24/2014 10:46 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I like it but I use it for scanning printed music only. I wish it could read rhythmic notation and slash marks somehow.


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Mike Rosen
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   Posted 3/24/2014 10:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vaughan,
Scanning the lyrics: total fail. Missing words, combined words, misread letters. Sorry.



Mike Rosen
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Volunteer notation editor (The Gang of Eight) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2010, 2011, 2012c, 2014a on Mac 10.9.1
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."

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   Posted 3/24/2014 11:14 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Has anyone tried PhotoScore from Neuratron?
They also have a handwriting music recognition app for phablets (yes, phablets), though that strikes me as infinitely tedious compared to Simple Entry. And they claim to be able to turn audio into notation, so they've either got some impressive technology or marketing.
www.neuratron.com/index.htm

Their "Lite" product is only £49, though it's severely hamstrung. It only does notes. No triplets. No slurs. No articulations, hairpins or expressions. Nor lyrics. smilewinkgrin


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   Posted 3/25/2014 2:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
See my post in the newest thread on this age old subject.

http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=425358


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