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Zuill
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| Posted 11/29/2014 10:23 PM (GMT -6) |   | When I try to create a shortcut to just the Staff Tool, I get a pop-up saying it needs a selection from the Staff Tool Menu. So, I am not sure how you got past this pop-up.
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/30/2014 9:48 AM (GMT -6) | | Okay. I was able to program that a different way, and did get the same result.
In Windows, press alt, then T then F and you will get the Staff Tool. So, not really more work.
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 11/30/2014 10:09 AM (GMT -6) | | | I think this is a bug in TGTools, because you can define a hotkey, including CTRL-SHIFT-F, to select a tool, but defining it as the Staff Tool brings up the "New Blank Staves" dialog, which it should not do. Defining other tools just selects the tool, as it should do.
The function key shortcut works as Motet points out, but I think it is only temporary for the Finale session. As Zuill points out, the built in Windows shortcut for selecting the Staff Tool is ALT-t-f (case insignificant). This keystroke sequence can be programmed into a hotkey by other 3rd party utilities, such as AutoHotKey.
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 11/30/2014 12:44 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Motet,
The Fn programming appears to go along with the document. Close the document, or open another document, and the Fn programming is gone. Reopen a document saved with Fn programming and it comes back.
TGTools doesn't support setting up ALT sequences, so AHK or something similar is the only way to get a single stroke hotkey to emulate an ALT sequence. When setting up a TGTools hotkey for "Tool -> Staff", you do not have to select a submenu, however the hotkey does bring up the 1st submenu, "New Blank Staves". This seems to me to be an error.
[PS] I see you discovered the same thing with the Fn programming. I agree that being document specific is the best way.
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/30/2014 2:25 PM (GMT -6) | | Okay. Now I realize what the weak link is here. Program F or Shift-F, and you're fine. Ctrl-Shift-F however causes the New Staff box to pop up. So, create a shortcut without the Ctrl.
Zuill
P.S.: By the way, this TG Tools bug is not new to 2014. I just tested 2011 and it shows the same errant behavior with Ctrl-Shift-F.
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/30/2014 2:40 PM (GMT -6) | |
Motet said...
I didn't mean that it being document-specific was for the best--I've never liked the fact that metatools are per-document--but rather that Shift+Fx is the easiest way to program a key to bring up a tool given that the TGTools way is apparently broken in 2014. This is also broken in 2011. I just tested it, and Ctrl-Shift-F brings up the Add a Staff box, just as in 2014. The Ctrl key is the bad link in the chain. Take that out and the Staff Tool gets selected without that menu item popping up.
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Zuill
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| Posted 12/1/2014 2:12 AM (GMT -6) | | I guess I have never really had a need for so many shortcuts. I would have a hard time memorizing them. I have just a few and sometimes even those I forget. To each his own.
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Joseph.
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| Posted 12/1/2014 7:57 AM (GMT -6) | | Yeah, it's extremely fast. I don't have a lot of hotkeys, just a few, but I want them organized simply and fit ergonomically so I've been changing them recently. AHK does all the work. All I have to do is press RR and I'm at the selection tool. ZZ and I'm at canonic utilities. WW and I'm at expression tool. I have a little picture to remind me (attached). The problem is that finale has some native double press functionality, which I'm surprised by, that changes a highlighted expression to another expression. Example, if I highlight a mf and hit RR, it changes it to a rit. So if I'm flying through entering dynamics and all of a sudden I want to hit RR to switch to the selection tool because I want to do another task like copy/paste or move something around, it's going to switch the expression I just entered to ritard first every time. Which is annoying. I get around this by clicking in the white area first. But it is still annoying.
Anyways, I'm working to make a more enriched AHK interface that has menus and everything that functions a new, easy hotkey set (it is visual), but also fast and a way of navigating finale ergonomically with only left hand to redistribute left and right hand workloads. Computing where you only use your right hand 95% is extremely inefficient. Aiming for 50/50.
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 12/1/2014 10:15 AM (GMT -6) | | jsphweid,
I'd like to study your AHK script. Could you post it? I've made many AHK scripts for Finale related hotkeys myself, including selecting tools, like you are doing, zooming using CTRL-mouse wheel, and scrolling in scroll view using the arrow keys, not mouse clicks.
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Joseph.
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| Posted 12/1/2014 10:35 AM (GMT -6) | | You can sees it as it works now. But this is a primitive version.
It only works when compiled to an .exe, so you'll have to do that...
Then, I just save it on the desktop and I have my side mouse button link to start the file. If the program is already running and the side button is clicked, then it closes itself. So the side button functions as a fast toggle (a good portion of the script is dedicated to this function, which I stole).
I also have a scrolling feature that reroutes f2 and f3 to be left-right scrolls (rebinding finale's native ctrl+page up/down). I prefer f2/f3 as opposed to arrow keys because it fits under the hand.
Use the image as a reference, in my previous post. Be warned that switching to another tool from simple entry (which I only use to edit guitar tabs) make odd things happen, best to double tap esc to exit out of that one. Also, as I've said, going from expression to another tool will change your last inputted expression, if it is selected (best just to click somewhere then switch).
Obviously grab isn't very useful now that I added the scroll hotkeys, but I'll change it some time.
I think the next version will be a GUI that is activated by tab or something. It would be nice to make a native plug-in as opposed to AHK, but I'm a novice programmer, not a C++ wizard.
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Motet
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| Posted 12/1/2014 12:55 PM (GMT -6) | | jsphweid, I wonder if you're doing something wrong in Autohotkey. Finale shouldn't be seeing the doubled keys at all, as I said. Sounds like maybe you're generating the Alt sequence but letting the double keys pass through as well, which I'm sure can be avoided.
I work on a stretch of music at a time--enter all the notes, then all the slurs, then all the articulation, then all the expressions, then all the hairpins--so being able to cycle through those tools efficiently is helpful. Also, when formatting pages at the very end, I'm forever switching between Page Layout, Staff, and Selection tools. Which function key to hit is second nature by now.
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Flint
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| Posted 12/1/2014 2:09 PM (GMT -6) | |
jsphweid said...Yeah, it's extremely fast. I don't have a lot of hotkeys, just a few, but I want them organized simply and fit ergonomically so I've been changing them recently. AHK does all the work. All I have to do is press RR and I'm at the selection tool. ZZ and I'm at canonic utilities. WW and I'm at expression tool. I have a little picture to remind me (attached). The problem is that finale has some native double press functionality, which I'm surprised by, that changes a highlighted expression to another expression. Example, if I highlight a mf and hit RR, it changes it to a rit. So if I'm flying through entering dynamics and all of a sudden I want to hit RR to switch to the selection tool because I want to do another task like copy/paste or move something around, it's going to switch the expression I just entered to ritard first every time. Which is annoying. I get around this by clicking in the white area first. But it is still annoying. Anyways, I'm working to make a more enriched AHK interface that has menus and everything that functions a new, easy hotkey set (it is visual), but also fast and a way of navigating finale ergonomically with only left hand to redistribute left and right hand workloads. Computing where you only use your right hand 95% is extremely inefficient. Aiming for 50/50.
Double-tapping keys is a feature allowing one to use metatools to quickly change entries.
If you are assigning the double-taps for other purposes, wouldn't it be easier to simply unprogram the metatools for those keys?
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