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JRStoat
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  		   Posted 4/17/2002 4:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm creating finger numbers with the text expression tool in order to add an opaque background. I'd like to place the numbers mid slur. I've selected 0 line thickness and checked the opaque box. When positioning the numbers, the slur line breaks as intended. However, when redrawing the screen or printing, the slur reverts to solid line. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance.

Eric
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  		   Posted 4/17/2002 10:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Eric,

I can't find any way to mask a Smart Shape slur, which is peculiar because hairpins can be hidden by opaque shapes.

Instead you must use a slur from the Shape Expression selection, and if you need more than one of them, use a Metatool to place them in the score (so that they can be individually edited).

Jesper
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  		   Posted 4/18/2002 5:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Another option would be to use a tuplet. It probably wouldn't play back correctly, but it would look good.

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  		   Posted 4/18/2002 5:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I found a solution. If I create a slur as a shape expression rather than as a smart shape, the background remains masked. Thank you for your responses.

Eric
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  		   Posted 4/18/2002 9:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
All very well, but why should we have to do this? Surely by this time the fact that "opaque" enclosures won't mask Smart Slurs must be recognised as a "bug"? [or do some people have reasons for preferring to keep it as it is?]

So, Codatech, when can we expect it to be fixed? Surely you don't expect us to submit direct "Feature Requests" for correction of an obvious problem that has been around for some time now?

My apologies if I have missed out on previous discussions on this subject, but I clearly remember adding my vote to this issue on the old "It Would Be Nice If...." site about 3 years ago now.........

Regards to all,

Gareth
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  		   Posted 4/19/2002 10:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is written up as a bug and we are looking into a solution. I'm afraid I cannot speculate on when it will be fixed.

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  		   Posted 4/19/2002 1:23 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's more complicated than that, Gareth. Nobody promised that an opaque enclosure would mask a smart shape slur, because nobody guaranteed what order they would be drawn in. As it happens, smart slurs are among the last thing drawn, so they draw over the opaque enclosures, not under them.

If you think this makes no sense, let me ask you this: if you had two opaque enclosures, and placed one on top of the other, which would you want to hide the other?

In computer graphics this ordering is known as "Z-order". Sophisticated graphics apps allow you specify the Z-order of various objects, moving them in front, moving them behind, etc. To my knowledge, no music notation app does this.

But I sure wish one did, and Finale would be my first choice! Nevertheless, Finale doesn't promise Z-order control, so they haven't failed to deliver on a promise.
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  		   Posted 4/19/2002 2:25 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OK, understand all that. To me, it's much simpler, more a question of standard English usage: "Opaque" means "Opaque", not "Opaque, except for this, that, or the other"..........

The dialogue box for enclosures simply says "Opaque". If other elements show through, then it's not "Opaque". [Sorry, starting to get repetitive and pedantic now; it's quite clear Coda don't consider it a priority, so I guess I'll have to start practising with shape expressions.]

Gareth.
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  		   Posted 4/23/2002 12:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No, I don't think you *do* get it. "Opaque" means it covers things you place on *top* of it. It doesn't mean it covers things you place on top of *it*.

I have a piece of paper on my desk. For all practical purposes, it is opaque. I place my pen *on top of* the sheet of paper. The paper does not hide the pen, despite its opacity.

This is a crucial distinction, since what you are proposing (anything marked "opaque" should be moved to the front of the Z-order; IOW, "opaque" *has* to cover everything whether you want to make exceptions or not) is actually a far less flexible concept.
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