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N. Grossingink
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Posted 7/11/2008 11:46 AM (GMT -6)

Which of the two is preferable? Or is there yet another option the most preferable?

Thanks,

N.

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Tom A
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Posted 7/11/2008 12:42 PM (GMT -6)

"B."

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Bill Stevens
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Posted 7/11/2008 12:58 PM (GMT -6)

I also prefer B.

Here's another option.

Bill

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Anders Brasetvik
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Posted 7/11/2008 1:42 PM (GMT -6)

Assuming that there is no notes in other layers, I would prefer a solution that didn't include flipping beams the wrong way.
I would say that Bill Stevens' is the best way if you don't want to include rests.
Here's yet another way to slur, keeping your beaming but flipped.

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Tom A
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Posted 7/11/2008 2:54 PM (GMT -6)

I think Bill's cross-staff beaming is the clearest and most elegant way to do this.

N. Grossingink
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Posted 7/11/2008 3:51 PM (GMT -6)

Thanks everyone.

I was given about a dozen unedited piano accompaniments done in pencil. I found a mixture of A and B. I'll settle on B, but think Bill's cross staff example looks nice. However, I'm going to keep things simple so no one flips their wig.

N.

Bill Stevens
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Posted 7/11/2008 4:03 PM (GMT -6)

You don't have to flip your wig. You just have to flip your beams.

Bill

jasako
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Posted 7/11/2008 11:14 PM (GMT -6)

Tom A said...
I think Bill's cross-staff beaming is the clearest and most elegant way to do this.

ditto

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Anders Brasetvik
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Posted 7/12/2008 3:48 AM (GMT -6)

N. Grossingink said...
I found a mixture of A and B.

May we see?

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Obiwan Kenobi
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Posted 7/12/2008 6:35 AM (GMT -6)

Squaith said...
I would say that Bill Stevens' is the best way if you don't want to include rests.

Tom A said...
I think Bill's cross-staff beaming is the clearest and most elegant way to do this.

+1

I don't think Bill's solution is the best, I do think Bill's solution is the ONLY way...

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N. Grossingink
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Posted 7/12/2008 11:12 AM (GMT -6)

Squaith said...
May we see?

It's paper and pencil manuscript - I don't have a scanner to capture an example.

Obiwan Kenobi said...
I don't think Bill's solution is the best, I do think Bill's solution is the ONLY way...

Gardner Read says Bill's example and my "B" are both acceptable - he doesn't indicate a preference. I agree that Bill's looks more "Traditional" and very clear to read.

Obiwan, have a happy Fête Nationale.

N.

Anders Brasetvik
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Posted 7/12/2008 11:32 AM (GMT -6)

Ah, sorry! I though you meant that you decided on a mixture - or rather a compromise - of A and B.
I thought it was a little hard to compare A and B as they have different pitches. "A" immediately looks wrong because the beams are so obviously the wrong way unless they are in layer 2.
Is the wrong beam direction in B acceptable according to Gardner Read?

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Obiwan Kenobi
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Posted 7/12/2008 4:58 PM (GMT -6)

N. Grossingink said...

Obiwan, have a happy Fête Nationale.

Thank you very much, N.
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Bill Stevens
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Posted 7/13/2008 7:56 AM (GMT -6)

For those of you who don't read French, here is a translation of the poem in the previous post:

Once there was a bug
Who met its grim finale
Because it ate a bite
Of two-day-old tamale.

We loved that silly bug,
He was our number uno;
And so we sent a message to
His distant cousin Bruno.

But Bruno didn't love the bug,
Like Abel hated Cain,
He put the bug into a bag
And tossed it in the Seine.

Obiwan Kenobi
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Posted 7/13/2008 11:23 AM (GMT -6)

Bill Stevens said...
For those of you who don't read French, here is a translation of the poem in the previous post:

Hum ! very very loose translation...

Bill Stevens said...

He put the bug into a bag
And tossed it in the Seine.

Oh no ! My beloved Seine is already polluted too much... !

Thanks Bill, for this lovely adaptation.

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Dr. Wiggy
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Posted 7/13/2008 12:58 PM (GMT -6)

Reminds me of:
"Un petit d'un petit
S'étonne aux Halles
Un petit d'un petit
Ah! degrés te fallent"

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Vaughan
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Posted 7/13/2008 7:50 PM (GMT -6)

Ah! Somebody else has read 'Mots d'Heures, Gousses Rames', as well! I especially like the footnote to 'Un petit, d'un petit' ('the inevitable result of a child marriage...').

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gracenote
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Posted 7/15/2008 8:36 PM (GMT -6)

N. Grossingink said...
Thanks everyone.

I was given about a dozen unedited piano accompaniments done in pencil. I found a mixture of A and B. I'll settle on B, but think Bill's cross staff example looks nice. However, I'm going to keep things simple so no one flips their wig.

N.

In these examples should there be an attempt to distinguish which hand plays the notes? (by the direction of the stem? or a "rh" mark?)

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