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Anders Brasetvik
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  		   Posted 2/4/2008 2:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello,

In a 6/8 bar I have music in layer 2 and I want do display the rest in layer one.
I want it to be a whole rest, but when i enter it, the bar behaves as it does when there are to many beats.

So, I can get it to look the way I want, but it's annoying to have to handle the error msg every time I'm in the bar.

When using the "change to default whole rest" plugin, the rest just disappeared.

Is there a simple way to mark the bar and select display rest in layer 1?


/Squaith
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  		   Posted 2/4/2008 2:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
in speedy (or simple) uncheck "fill with rests"

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  		   Posted 2/4/2008 3:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jetcopy,

I can't get that to do what I want.
Thanks anyway.

/S
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  		   Posted 2/4/2008 3:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Under the Speedy menu, deselect "Check for Extra Notes." Although that should do what you want, it means Finale will let you put as many notes or rests as you want in a measure; you're turning off a useful safeguard. I have resigned myself to putting up with this behavior in the instance you describe in order to keep the safeguard in place for the majority of my work.

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  		   Posted 2/4/2008 3:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tom,

I like the safety net too...
Thanks anyway.

/S
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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 3:15 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In speedy entry I prefer to keep "Check for extra notes" turned on. To put a whole rest in a measure that is too short for a whole rest, hit 7, to make the rest, then move to the next measure. In the warning dialog that comes up select "leave the measure alone". It does just that: leaves the rest you want where you want it.

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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 3:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When unavoidable to put such whole rests, I use Tuplet(1 whole note in 3 quarters' space). 
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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 4:24 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Peter,
Yes, that's what I did. I just wandered if there was a way to do this without a workaround.

Massy,
I never had any problem getting the rest in the bar.

Thanks for the responses!

/S
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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 5:40 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Squaith

I don't think this qualifies as a work around, as it is not a bug or an undocumented feature. Finale is working as it should. You ask it to warn you when the bar contains too much, you enter too much and it tells you. Or you switch the feature off and it doesn't tell you, even when you need it to.

What you seem to be asking for is a function that bypasses the dialog IF and only if you enter a whole rest with nothing else in the layer. That would constitute a feature request

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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 7:10 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Peter,

I don't necessarily agree with that since finale seems to be aware of the issue through the existence of the plugins "change to default whole rests" and "change to real whole rests". Obviously the both exists within the program and all I want is to be able to display the default whole rest in an empty layer.
But it's not a big issue or even a complicated thing to have look exactly as I want. It is just one of those things I thought there would be a simple button to press.

/Squaith
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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 9:07 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I see your point. My point is that a default rest only appears if there is nothing in any layer. As soon as you enter notes in a layer, whichever layer, the default rest disappears. To put in a rest in any layer when there are notes in another layer ceases to be a default rest, by Finale's definition. therefore my point stands, though your objection might be considered a valid one.

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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 10:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sure, I don't think we even disagree on anything important.
It's not a big thing. There could be a feature that did this but there isn't.

/S
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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 10:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In case anyone is curious, in Sibelius, one can input a "bar rest", which is different than a whole-note (4 beat) rest.
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  		   Posted 2/5/2008 12:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Philip. said...
In case anyone is curious, in Sibelius, one can input a "bar rest", which is different than a whole-note (4 beat) rest.

Yes, this "bar rest" is a whole rest (graphically): that's the rule, whatever the meter.
Sibelius house a concept of "graphic" rest that doesn't exist in Finale. May be an idea for future release...
But the staves frame of Finale is far more complex than in Sibelius:
- 4 Layers with 2 voices each in Finale for a staff
- 4 voices for Sibelius.

rolleyes

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Post Edited (Obiwan Kénobi) : 2/5/2008 11:51:16 AM (GMT-6)

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