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TTBashore
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| Posted 4/18/2002 8:42 PM (GMT -6) |   |
How 'bout it Coda? We now have 26 posts on one thread and haven't heard from Coda yet. Tim is absolutely right, there are many simple and basic things that would not take long at all to change. As Tim pointed out, there have been almost no changes for years except for the default font and I find this unacceptable.
Instead of chasing Sibelius, Finale should be leading the way in terms of defaults. After all, Finale is a much more flexible program and there are quite a few features of the default file that would literally take seconds to change. It's not like they're buried deep in the code making this a difficult task to do. If Coda really wants Finale to be the best music publishing software on the market, they should begin by providing the best defaults.
Coda seems to implement new features (you can bet a new default will be billed as a feature) in upgrades based on the amount of requests it gets. If you're interested in defaults that adhere to quality engraving standards, email them and let them know! I have.
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David Young : chambermusic
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| Posted 4/19/2002 12:49 PM (GMT -6) | |
In regards to Zac's statements:
Of course you can do all of that in Sibelius. It is just that no one does it.
Almost everyone who uses Sibelius beams 2 8th notes together, uses brackets on 8th note triplets, and places their dynamics in chaotic places.
I would like to see Coda music make an effort to teach its users to be more mindful of engraving conventions. It is clear to me that Sibelius makes no effort to do so.
David
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David Young : chambermusic
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| Posted 4/19/2002 12:52 PM (GMT -6) | |
I actually wrote them a formal letter, by postal... if that means anything these days.
David
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mkelley
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Total Posts : 174
| Posted 4/22/2002 4:43 AM (GMT -6) | |
I'd love to see the defaults everyone is talking about, mostly because as a newbee I'm so ignorant of conventions I'd never even know where to start in making changes.
But is there a reason why such defaults couldn't just be posted on this site? Indeed, couldn't some of you experts put up templates of what you think the defaults ought to be? I would think that would both encourage better results (from group dissection and analysis) as well as take some (most?) of the work from Coda, making them more agreeable to including such things in the product itself.
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TechSupport
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 432
| Posted 4/22/2002 6:35 AM (GMT -6) | |
As we've stated many, many times in the past, if you would like to submit a feature request, please do so by submitting an email to winsupport@makemusic.com.
Because we need to devote our limited time to helping people who are having technical problems, we tend to not reply to posts which contain topics not related to technical problems in Finale. We in Tech Support (note: Tech support) need to spend our time helping people who are experiencing problems with our software. Our product design team does not typically read this forum. Hence, the way to get your requests to them, and the best way to get your "vote" counted, is to email the above address.
In the time it's taken many of you to write these posts, you could have easily constructed a concise, step-by-step feature request on what you would like to see changed.
Dan
Coda Tech
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David Young : chambermusic
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| Posted 4/23/2002 5:33 AM (GMT -6) | |
Thanks for the tip Dan and will do!
Actually, it may take a little more time to come up with a well-thought-out list of features that we would like implemented... it may take more time than making a point on this website.
All the same, we should take that time and do it.
And, I did send a well thought out letter about 3 weeks ago to Coda, that is a postal letter. I hope that Coda takes it seriously.
David
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whrcomposer
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Date Joined Mar 2002
Total Posts : 45
| Posted 4/23/2002 5:55 AM (GMT -6) | |
>Almost everyone who uses
>Sibelius beams 2 8th notes
>together, uses brackets on 8th
>note triplets, and places
>their dynamics in chaotic
>places.
Wow, way to generalize. Sibelius has options for automatically beaming 8ths in 4s (in the time signature dialog), automatically omits tuplet brackets when all the notes in the tuplet are joined by a beam, and it has acceptable default positions for text (except for vocal staves -- Sibelius automatically positions the dynamics below vocal staves).
>It is clear to me that Sibelius
>makes no effort to do so.
But if Sibelius's defaults are better than Finale's, which is true, then surely they're doing a better job than Coda so far?
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Tim Rowland
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 1250
| Posted 4/23/2002 12:34 PM (GMT -6) | |
Well I just sent mine in. I usually thought "I'll wait until I've got heaps of requests to send them in", but I'd usually forget or not get around to it. All they need to do at the other end is 'cut and paste' the request anyway! Come on peoples - DO IT!
Cheers,
Tim
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TTBashore
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Total Posts : 148
| Posted 4/23/2002 1:31 PM (GMT -6) | |
I too sent out a postal mail request. I included output from the Finale default file, string quartet, and orchestra along with samples I engraved of the same. I circled and explained in red many of the basic engraving mistakes in the files. Like David, I hope it is taken seriously.
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TechSupport
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Total Posts : 432
| Posted 4/24/2002 6:01 AM (GMT -6) | |
I received a feature request from Todd B. today and sent it to our project manager. He immediately replied to Todd and myself saying that they're taking this matter very seriously! That's good. It also means that our management takes seriously the feature requests you send in via email!
One of the problems lies in the fact that different groups of people like different defaults. What we're trying to do right now is determine what the best compromise should be, or how to best incorporate all of the suggestions.
If you have any specific suggestions, certainly email them to winsupport@makemusic.com, and we'll take a look at them. The best method to do this would be in list form. I can guarantee, it's much easier to read a numbered list of feature reqeusts (or default file suggestions, in this case) than to try to wade through a paragraph looking for the one or two words that make a difference. Also, if you can cite specific publishers as an example, that helps out quite a bit.
So, in short (or was that long? :), compile your best suggestions, put them in a numbered list, don't use paragraphs, and send them in!
Dan
Coda Tech
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