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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 4:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
finale brags about how easy it is to just print all your parts in 2007.  if you go to "print" and select a part it is not even smart enough to group measures of rests.  you will not get a part with an 8 bar rest, then a double bar, then some music, then a 16 bar rest, etc...  you well get a part with one whole rest after another.  your musicians will love reading that!  WAY TO GO FINALE!

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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 4:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
soxfanben said...
finale brags about how easy it is to just print all your parts in 2007. if you go to "print" and select a part it is not even smart enough to group measures of rests. you will not get a part with an 8 bar rest, then a double bar, then some music, then a 16 bar rest, etc... you well get a part with one whole rest after another. your musicians will love reading that! WAY TO GO FINALE!


Please give us complete steps for the problems you're reporting. Are you opening an old file? Are you creating a new one? When you click Generate Parts, Finale does create multi-measure rests by default. There are a couple of things that could be going on - if there's anything in those measures, such as real whole rests, that will prevent it. It's also possible that you're running into something that has to do with the Update Rests document setting (go to Options >> Document Options >> Multi-Measure Rests and check this option to enable it - it would be off in a pre-2k7 file). Then when you generate parts or even switch to a linked part the rests would be updated.

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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It is a brand new score - first thing I have done on 2007. not an old file - even when extracting i do not get multimeasure rests.
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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i tried that option - it is enabled - it just flat does not work - -nothing in those measures. ????????
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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I AM SO ANGRY!!!!!!!! THIS JUST DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!! IT IS SET IN DOCUMENT OPTIONS TO UPDATE AUTOMATICALLY AND IT DOES NOT DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! WHO TESTS THIS PROGRAM BEFORE THEY TAKE MY MONEY?????????????????

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sounds like you need to take a deep breath, chill out, send Finale 2007 back for a refund, and get on with life.

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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I guess so, but I need this done today and I don't want to start from scratch on the old version. Why are they selling this if a feature like this just plain does not work? I do need to get that refund though, so I can buy SIBELIUS.
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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm sure the Sibelius forum is looking forward to that.

I would never start an important project on a new version of any program. Use what is tried and true. You can create an XML file and import most of your work back to 2005, by the way.

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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
sorry, I didn't figure they would have basic functions that TOTALLY DON"T WORK on the new version.
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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Not that I've been happy with the recent direction of Finale "upgrades", but it is sounds to me like you jumped from 2005 to 2007 without investigating things being said on the forum. I waited to install 2006, and still am using 2005 after reading many of the remaining bug issues. It sounds lik 2007 is possibly not all that it's cracked up to be. However, you always need to be prepared for change. Sometimes, it's just like getting used to a new car or a new pair of shoes.

In your case, it seems, there's no getting used to 2007. Sorry it put you in a bind, but you've got to give yourself more leeway when it comes to deadlines. It sounds liek you're under a lot of stress.

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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 5:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
well yes the deadline lesson has been learned. but that does not excuse Finale from taking my money and sending out a product with massive problems. of course i wanted to try it out today. they went to great lengths to tell me how wonderful it is!
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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 8:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Listen, this really has to be something simple that you're missing. I'm pretty positive that I along with all of the other people who have been using Finale 2007 for months didn't miss something so large as multi-measure rests not printing. I checked it earlier when you first reported it - it works fine.

If you really, truly want help, send me the file that you're having trouble with to di_oohay@yahoo.com . I'm a former customer support employee of the company, and I assure you I'm about as able to help you as anyone when it comes to linked parts right now. I can also promise you that I couldn't possibly be any less interested in stealing your music - I've had thousands of user files sent to me over the years, many from professionals, and it's never been an issue. I am willing and able to help you today.

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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 8:33 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
While we're at it I notice it also does not print the Instrunment name on the part!?!

WHOOOOPS I got it to work! Attached is what I made the multimeasure rest settings like in Document options - and a sample of an extracted part. But the part (instrument name) still doesn't print.
 
DOUBLE WHOOPS  Now the instrument name works (a bit of a pain) - but the Multimeasure rests don't work!!!   Same setup as before except I added the text name ?????????????????

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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 9:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Joemis said...
While we're at it I notice it also does not print the Instrunment name on the part!?!

WHOOOOPS I got it to work! Attached is what I made the multimeasure rest settings like in Document options - and a sample of an extracted part. But the part (instrument name) still doesn't print.


For a part name to print, it needs to be on the part when you choose to print. You do this by adding a part name insert to the score (which in turn adds it to all the parts).

1. Text tool, in the score, double click where you want the part names to go on the page. Text menu >> Inserts >> Part/Score name.
2. If you don't want the Score text showing in the score, hold ctrl, right click its handle, and uncheck "Show."


If you want to set your templates up so that you don't ever have to hide the Score block again, add the insert as in step 1, then go to the File menu >> File Info, and type a hard space character in the Score Name Insert field (hold alt and type 0160 on the number pad). This essentially just makes it invisible in the score so you never have to think about it again.

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  		   Posted 8/26/2006 9:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey Tyler whats the reason for the parts not showing their names like they used to ,is it the way linked parts work or something else
I really liked the way i extracted parts and it showed the names ,anyway of getting that to be the default setting

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  		   Posted 8/27/2006 12:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Getting back to the multimeasure rest problem:

I had a similar problem a couple of weeks ago that I raised on this thread. What fixed it for me was a suggestion that I go to Document > Manage Parts > Part Creation Preferences, and make sure "Create Multimeasure Rests" is checked. Then "OK", then "generate parts" again. For some reason, I had to do this a couple of times before it kicked in.

I would classify this as an annoyance, but once I got it working, it seemed to go away for good. So far, anyway.

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  		   Posted 8/27/2006 12:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
JanJan said...
Hey Tyler whats the reason for the parts not showing their names like they used to ,is it the way linked parts work or something else
I really liked the way i extracted parts and it showed the names ,anyway of getting that to be the default setting



It has to do with part creation no longer being a single event, and more importantly with the fact that all objects which are created exist both in parts and in the score, even if they are hidden in one. It would become somewhat of a mess if a separate text block was created in every part every time the user created a new part, as it would create overlapping hidden text blocks in the score.

How do you usually create your new files? If you usually create them with the Setup Wizard, open the Maestro Font Default.ftm file, edit the score name insert field in the File info dialog (making it an invisible character with alt-0160), and then save that file back over itself. From that point on, every file you create with the setup wizard (or new default doc) will have this working as you want it, and you won't have to think about it again.

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  		   Posted 8/27/2006 1:58 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Sibelius will be happy to take your money.  Multi measure rests are a disaster in their extract process.  They do not work.  You will get a single measure, a 2 bar multi measure rests, three single rests, a 3 measure multi measure rest etc. etc.  Enjoy your Sibelius.

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  		   Posted 8/27/2006 10:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I tried what Dan Powers suggested to fix the multimeasure problem and it seemed to work. But I just started a new file tonight and when I tested the extract parts (following the exact procedure - it failed again???? Has anyone submitted this to tech support?

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  		   Posted 8/28/2006 7:04 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It seems the settings are file-specific rather than global. In other words, you'll have to do this for every file you create. Definitely something that should be improved!

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  		   Posted 8/28/2006 9:38 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
thanx tyler it worked

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  		   Posted 8/28/2006 11:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
actually, I noticed something with the multi-measure rests - for those who are complaining about the lack of consistancy in their multi-measure rests:
are there measure/staff expressions appearing in those un-grouped measures that might be set to "break multi-measure rests?

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  		   Posted 8/28/2006 12:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Not in my case.

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  		   Posted 8/28/2006 12:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
one of my scores just had, for some unknown reason, a single barline set to "break multi-measure rests".
so I guess little glitches can slip in from different tools as well.

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  		   Posted 9/8/2006 7:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Add me to the list of folks who've had to deal with the "double take" in generating parts to get the multimeasure rests to work. Thanks Dan. Hopefully MM will get this fixed for the maintenance release.

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