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   Posted 8/3/2012 7:10 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Greetings!

 

When using automatic Rehearsal Letters, is there any way of creating the sequence to automatically carry on with Aa, Bb, Cc after Z, or are we stuck with AA, BB, CC?

 

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   Posted 8/3/2012 7:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I brought this up on the forum a while ago: if you can find the thread …

Found it! forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=362123


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   Posted 8/3/2012 8:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Greetings David

Many thanks for your reply. Your link mentions the Aa-Bb-Cc sequence but doesn't say how it's achieved! Elsewhere there's mention of upper case/lower case and even a aA-bB-cC sequence, so now I'm even more curious.

Shortly after posting, I came up with one possibility. After X,Y, Z, go back to A, B, C and, in addition, use a, b, c with an additional horizontal offset positoning of 0.7. This means I’ll have to forgo the square enclosure shape, though….

 

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   Posted 8/3/2012 12:11 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Andreo,

It is possible to use auto sequencing to accomplish aA, aB, aC, ..., or Aa, Ab, Ac, ..., but not Aa, Bb, Cc, ... .  That will have to be done manually like David Ward's link implied, I think.

As I learned from this forum not too long ago, you can actually add any textual prefix and/or suffix to the automatic sequencing as supplied by MM.  Just duplicate any given sequence in the "Expression Selection" dialog box, and add whatever prefix and/or suffix you desire within the Text area box.  It is not obvious that you can do this, but it does work.  In my example above I prefixed an "a" to the standard A, B, C, ..., sequence, then I prefixed an "A" to the standard a, b, c, ..., sequence.  By doing this, any enclosure you setup will be maintained.



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   Posted 8/3/2012 12:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can do things the old fashioned way and manually create the rehearsal marks. You can try a combination approach: create an expression with the box stretched to the right and then manually add in the other character. Personally, that is more wotk than manually creating the marks. We have done that for years and still works.

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   Posted 8/3/2012 12:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There's a lot to be said for numbers instead of letters.


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   Posted 8/3/2012 12:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
After rethinking this, I did come up with a plan.
 
Using my attached file, use the first item in the list for letters up to Z. Then, starting with the next one, apply the next item, then the one after that in the same measure. The enclosure for the Capital letter is stretched to include the lower case letter that doesn't have an enclosure.
 
This file was made in haste. You may want to fine tune the enclosure if it is not precisely to your liking.
 
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   Posted 8/3/2012 1:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill's last method is interesting where he combined two sequences so they show up as one.  The disadvantage is that you have to place two rehearsal marks to get the resultant one.  Zuill, is the second one just placed by default or did you have to position it within the enclosure, and if so, how do you maintain consistency in the placement?


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   Posted 8/3/2012 2:21 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Placing two marks is easy with metatools.


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   Posted 8/3/2012 2:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Greetings again

 

Many thanks for these various responses to my question. I now see that David’s earlier thread referred only to ‘Aa’ which I assumed would carry on with Bb, Cc. Thanks to Charles, I have realised my error there.

 

Yes, it is possible to create these markings manually, but the piece I’m working on at the moment goes up to Xx and I have to keep to that sequence.

 

I cannot open Zuill’s file as I have F2011. However, I have managed to stretch the enclosure box by setting the width to 0.75 in the dialog box for the upper case letter. I also entered  0.3 in the H: centre dialog box to move the letter to the right. That  gives me space for the lower case letter, which by keeping my settings as in my 2nd posting this thread, means the two letters are now side by side. So, yes, two actions, but thanks to Zuill I still have my enclosure box!

 

Motet – Yes,  I use metatool M for the upper case and N for the lower case, so that’s easily accomplished.

 

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   Posted 8/3/2012 3:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Andreo,
 
Attached are window snippets of the settings for Zuill's method.  The 1st has the enclosure box settings for the upper case letter, and the 2nd has the horizontal offset for the lower case letter.

I guess I answered my own question about placement of the lower case letter from before.


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   Posted 8/3/2012 3:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for doing that. I have been busy on some other things, and was going to do a 2011 file, but that won't be necessary now.

Thanks again.

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   Posted 8/3/2012 5:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Greetings and thanks

 

The figures I’m using differ greatly from Zuill’s but they do work and I’m pleased that with a bit of help I managed to arrive at a similar solution!

 

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   Posted 8/7/2012 10:05 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Greetings!

 

I have to add a P.S. to this thread. The composer misses out Nn and goes to Oo. I discovered that selecting either N or n  to adjust with Edit Rehearsal Mark Sequence changes both letters correctly! Amazing! Finale the mind-reader?

 

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   Posted 8/7/2012 10:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Interesting behavior. After reading of your finding, I did some experimenting and discovered that all rehearsal marks in the same measure are affected by editing of just one, so they all move to the same respective position in the sequence. I could think that there might conceivably be an occasion where you don't want that behavior. The workaround is to move the mark to another measure, make the change, then move it back to the proper measure. For your use, however, the behavior is ideal.

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