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Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/10/2002 4:20 PM (GMT -6)

I do 4 voice choral arranging in one stave. The singers all read treble clef. My question is: Can you print one part(one color) at a time from the same stave. Any help is appreciated. I looked everywhere that I could think of in the documentation and couldn't find an answer. Thanks - Bill Sveglini

duser
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Posted 4/10/2002 5:39 PM (GMT -6)

Select the Layer you want to print. In View Menu, toggle Show Active Layer Only ON. Then print normally. Repeat for each layer.

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/11/2002 7:05 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks for the tip. The computer with the printer is using version 98 and it won't do it in there. I better get the upgrade to 2002 on it quick and save the right hand. Thanks for the help and taking the time to answer.
Bill Sveglini

duser
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Posted 4/11/2002 7:39 AM (GMT -6)

I am surprised to hear that this doesn't work in F98, but I no longer have that version installed, so I can't check it.

Before you spend the time and money on an upgrade, I would send a quick e-mail to winsupport@codamusic.com (or maybe it's now winsupport@makemusic.com) to verify whether this should work in F98.

HOMR
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Posted 4/11/2002 9:33 AM (GMT -6)

Works fine in my 98. Do you mean the option is not there, or that the other layers are not hidden when this is turned on?

Paul

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/12/2002 5:31 AM (GMT -6)

Hello Paul. Please give me the step by step as maybe I am not doing it right. I thought I was but....... sometimes the brain leaves the area. I went to view, show active layer and then printed and the only thing that would print was the main voice/melody ie the black notes. Thanks - Bill Sveglini

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/12/2002 6:01 AM (GMT -6)

Hello again. I forgot to mention that I am using a non color printer. I went back and tried again and selected layer 2, the red color part. I went and printed and layer 1, the black notes printed. Not layer 2. Waiting for your help. Thanks in advance Bill Sveglini

duser
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Posted 4/12/2002 10:26 AM (GMT -6)

When you select Layer 2, with Show Active Layer Only ON, do you see only the Layer 2 notes on the screen? And then when you print, it prints Layer 1 notes? Is this correct? Is the printout different from what you see on the screen right before you print?

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/12/2002 3:51 PM (GMT -6)

Hello again and thanks for taking me through this. I went to the file and opened it. I went to view and put the check mark next to show only layer. I tried to print the red notes on the screen. When I did the print command in the far left pull down menu I clicked on the print score button. I then tried the same thing with the print parts button. Each time part 1 which is the black note printed out. I tried part 3 and made sure the check mark was there for show only this layer. The green notes were on the screen and part one printed out(black notes). I tried the same thing on the blue notes in part 4 and each time only the black note would print.
What am I missing if anything??????? Is there something else I need to select to do this. If it is working on someone else's machine in version 98 it should work on mine. So I am not messing up. This is what I am doing again. I get the file open and see all four colored notes on the screen. I go to view and make sure the select part is checked. I go to print and click and the part I am looking at on the screen should be coming out whatever that color is at the time. Am I doing right? Thanks again for the help.
Please let me know if I am screwing up somewhere. Bill Sveglini

Dick Brodfuehrer
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Posted 4/12/2002 10:44 PM (GMT -6)

Bill,

I am using Win 98, and it prints correctly for me. So I don't know what the problem could be.

However, if you want to print the parts you can do the following work around.

Add four new staves, and with View Current Layer turned on copy each layer to its own stave --- using the Ctrl/Shift-Click method.

Turn off View Current Layer.

Then, using Mass Mover, move the notes in each of the new staves to voice one.

Now you should be able to print each stave separately.

Dick

p.s. Is it possible that you printer driver doesn't recognize the colors? Seems like it should at least print those colors in shades of gray.

duser
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Posted 4/13/2002 5:00 AM (GMT -6)

>> I went to view and put the check mark next to show only layer. I tried to print the red notes on the screen.

There are two items in the View Menu you need to use. One is Select Layer, which gives you a column of checkboxes (1,2,3,4) from which to select. From this you select the layer you wish to view/print. There is also the item Show Active Layer Only, which you need to toggle ON.

If you do both these things, and have, say, Layer 2 selected, the only notes you should see on the screen should be the Layer 2 (red) notes. If you then print, the printout should look like what you see on your screen.

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/13/2002 6:51 AM (GMT -6)

Hello Dick and thanks for the insight. You brought up a valid point about the printer driver. I am using a HP Laserjet III. When I print what I call my master which is all 4 voices on the one staff the notes are all solid and there are not gray shades on the note heads, beams, slurs etc. I am stupid when it comes to drivers and how do you know when you have a driver that will work with Finale in this regard? Any suggestions of what to do? I do a LOT of 4 voice arranging for our singing group at church and man it take time to always copy the parts. Do I contact Coda? HP? Any ideas are welcome. Thanks a ton - Bill Sveglini

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/13/2002 7:03 AM (GMT -6)

Greetings and thanks for the help. This thing just won't do it. I am using an old HP Laserjet III. I went again and tried showing active layer only and also select the layer from the drop down menu. I tried to "Print Score" and "Print Parts." What I saw on the screen didn't come out of the printer. Another kind person trying to help mentioned about maybe the printer driver can recognize the colored note. Any knowledge that you might have in these regards would be joyfully accepted. My right hand is getting killed from copying. It sure would be nice to make this rascal work. Thanks again - Bill Sveglini

Dick Brodfuehrer
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Posted 4/13/2002 9:07 AM (GMT -6)

Bill,

If it prints the colors as black when you print the whole score, then the printer is recognizing the colors. So, that won't explain your problem.

My suggestion at this point would be to email a copy of your file to Coda Tech to see if they can figure it out.

Dick

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/13/2002 10:01 AM (GMT -6)

Hello Dick. I really appreciate the help. You know what it is like when you have the ability to not have to do the parts by hand and you can't make the rascal work. Thanks again. I have sent a message to tech support and gave them basically all the things that I have said here. It would be a good idea to send the file to them and have them try. You are right though, if it prints all 4 parts in black at the same time it is seeing the colors. Thanks again. Bill Sveglini

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/15/2002 7:02 AM (GMT -6)

Hello Dick. Now that the question is solved about the printing part I have one other. When I print the parts out separately can I save them as separate files? Again thanks for all the kind help. Bill Sveglini

Dick Brodfuehrer
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Posted 4/16/2002 8:17 AM (GMT -6)

Bill,

The only way I know to do that is to again get each part to a separate staff in the score and then use the Extract Parts function.

When you write an arrangement, why don't you put all four parts in layer 1. When you are finished you could then use the Mass Mover>Utilities>Explode Music function to add separate staves for each part. Then you would be able to extract the parts to separate files and print them.

Dick

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/16/2002 5:04 PM (GMT -6)

Hello Dick and thanks again for taking the time to help the old dummy. If I put everything in one stave and all the notes are done in level 1 how will I be able to make sure that if I have the tenor going above the soprano that the right note gets put in the right stave? Maybe I am not saying this too good. Example: a C major chord bass is on C just below the staff, the tenor is on E on the first line of the staff, the alto is on G 2nd line and the soprano is on 3rd space C. Next chord is CMaj7 and I have the bass on the same C, the alto is on 2nd line G, the soprano is on 3rd line B and the tenor is on E above the soprano. Will it put the tenor note in a stave that had the first soprano note in it? Please forgive my stupidity but I am not really well versed on what the program can really do. I am trying to experiment and I will try what you said tomorrow. Wish me luck. Thanks a million for taking the time to help. I am going to start using all the help video clips tomorrow also. Bill Sveglini

Dick Brodfuehrer
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Posted 4/16/2002 5:45 PM (GMT -6)

You are correct. If the voices cross, then you have no choice but to use separate layers or staves. Finale will always take the top note for staff one, the next to top note for staff two, etc.

Dick

Bill Sveglini
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Posted 4/17/2002 5:01 AM (GMT -6)

Hello Dick. Thanks again. I only hope that someday I can be as helpful to some poor soul on this forum as you have been to me. It is nice not to be thought of badly when you are asking questions and trying to learn. Thanks - Bill

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