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| Bret Boulon Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 106 | Posted 11/16/2016 12:56 PM (GMT -6) | | I meant shape designer of course.. I rush when I get furious.
Here an example of exponential crescendo. And the shape designer window. The same since Finale 1.0 when I bought mine along with a mac plus...
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| OCTO. The radical answers.
Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 2659 | Posted 11/16/2016 1:44 PM (GMT -6) | | I agree, completely with you. I feel your frustration. Finale can be better, yes.
MM has opened this FORUM (1) so that users can help each other. It is on .makemusic.com domain but they don't monitor. If you don't get help or improvements here, you might try via their SUPPORT (2). I tried several times, and I was not particularly satisfied. Also, the help that is not visible to all users, is a 1/2 help. Than we have a BLOG (3), but you cannot comment to suggest. Than, they opened a FACEBOOK account (4), for quick help. Than they opened another help forum at ZENDESK (5).
Maybe you can send your message to the all 5 (4) instances.
(extra emoticons added, to confirm the feelings)
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| Bret Boulon Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 106 | Posted 11/16/2016 3:43 PM (GMT -6) | | Exponential crescendos are very much in use in new music since 20 years. All the engravers working for my publisher had to switch to Sibelius in order to be able to do these since that are present in so many scores now. I asked MM for this about 20 times over the years. How hard can that be to add a smart shape like this ?? Really.. | Back to Top | |
| Bret Boulon Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 106 | Posted 11/17/2016 6:00 AM (GMT -6) | | I wish they understood that the competition is really not in their favor now. My published (very big house...) has to publish tons of scores every year and I know they asked all engravers to move to Sibelius. I had to export latest work to xml (with all the loss it represents with graphics) because the engraver that was taking care of parts and house rules for the score was on Sibelius.
And gradually the same at Boosey's.. If Finale is not anymore considered the top engraving solution in the professional world, that should somehow ring a bell ! If not, well, then it's going to be a long and sad agony...
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| OCTO. The radical answers.
Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 2659 | Posted 11/17/2016 1:36 PM (GMT -6) | | jange said...That's more or less what the plugin above does. It creates a custom accidental (i.e. what Tools->Accidental Mover does). But it's faster than your script as you can use metatools to assign the articulations with one click per note and more flexible with the font style selection. /www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPIfR3vorhcJan It is a great plugin, but I don't see how it works faster than my script with the shortcut? In your case you have to enter first note with an accidental, than move to expression tool to add these arrows, than to apply plugin. While it works on the whole document, and my script on a measure level, I am not sure I would have the whole score full of arrows before applying your plugin. I would do on a measure basis, and that is the point.
In my case I enter a pitch, than with the accidental mover I select one or more accidentals and hit the shortcut. Not saying that I have assigned the shortcut to the Accidental mover, so it takes 4 seconds to accomplish that. I use EngraverSuper (modified Engraver for that purpose, NOT Petrucci symbols), so if you know how, than you will edit this in order to get it work for you:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no" ?> <script name="QT_B-down"> <shortcut command="" enable="0" in-menu="1" /> <lines> <line content="Enter" /> <line content='Uncheck "Use Default Accidental Font"' /> <line content='Click "Set Font…"' /> <line content='choose item from list "Engraversuper"' /> <line content="Enter" /> <line content='Uncheck "Use Default Character"' /> <line content='Type "G" near to "Select…"' /> <line content="Enter" /> </lines> </script>
EDIT: BTW; does your plugin incorporate pitch bending within the Articulation? If it does, than hats down!
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| Mike Halloran Registered Member
Date Joined Jun 2009 Total Posts : 105 | Posted 11/17/2016 4:21 PM (GMT -6) | | Bret Boulon said... I will no more upgrade until a few of these requests are addressed by MM
Well... then don't upgrade till those issues are addressed. Makes sense to me. Mike Halloran
Finale 25.1 & 2014.5, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.0.7 2010 iMac 2.93G i7 Quad w/ OWC eSATA mod, 20G RAM, OS 10.12.1, 2T SSD DP 9.1, 8.07, 7.24, Logic Pro X 10.2.4, DSP-Quattro, PSP, IK, NI, Eventide, Izotope & Antares plugins G4 running OS 10.4.11 & 9.2 with legacy apps | Back to Top | |
| jange Registered Member
Date Joined Oct 2013 Total Posts : 53 | Posted 11/17/2016 4:59 PM (GMT -6) | | OCTO, you apply the plugin to a selected area. This can be done note-wise, measure-wise or on the full document. If you put the plugin also on keyboard short cut, then you only need to call the short cut and enter return. The plugin will always use the last settings. So even if you call it measure-wise it's just two keyboard hits.
If you select an articulation/expression that mimics the quarter-tone style, you don't even notice that it's not a real accidental. For example something like this (the first one is unlinked from the part):
In that case you can apply it at the very end as they are not really distracting.
Here is another demo of entering three measures with quarter-tone accidentals using expressions assigned to metatools. /www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEaBfQCVg4c In this demo the expressions are not deleted afterwards, but only hidden, so that they still do playback. AFAIK it's not possible to handle quarter-tone playback directly through articulations and HP. The only ways I know are through expressions or by manipulating the MIDI. The disadvantage of expressions is that they need a "Set to 0" on the next non-modified note. The disadvantage of MIDI manipulation in Finale is that it is more difficult to delete.
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