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Andreo Basisto
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Greetings!

 

I’m wondering if dotted ties are available? I suspect not, but they would help in the piece I’m setting at the moment as having to adjust normal dotted slurs to look like ties is taking some time and also the sharps in the subsequent bars have to be hidden.

 

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  		   Posted 4/28/2015 6:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
why not simply use regular ties?

if you use dashed/dotted ties you have to repeat the accidentals at every measure. (and NOT hide them)

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  		   Posted 4/28/2015 6:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What is the purpose of using dotted ties? Regular ties are standard notation, dotted ones are not, and if you are going to do something that is not standard then you must have a good reason for doing so.

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  		   Posted 4/28/2015 6:38 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A dotted or dashed tie might well be used to convey an editorial addition, where the manuscript has no tie.

There have been discussions here about using Illustrator or other vector art editor (i.e. not Photoshop) to create more attractive dashed ties and slurs in a PDF of a Finale page.

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Dotted ties are nowadays quite standard in critical editions to indicate editorially added ties.
I also like to use dotted ties between tremolos as in OP's example.

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  		   Posted 4/28/2015 8:06 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

The only reason I’m using dotted ties is because the original printed score has them. I would prefer to use normal ties.

 

I must confess that the original copy does have the repeated accidentals which I removed as thinking they cluttered up the page! On reading Michel R E’s reply (thank you!), I dashed to Gould and there I see on page 225 that dotted ties should indeed have repeated accidentals! I stand corrected, but I wonder why this is – presumably because of the repeated notes involved with a tremolo?  But I still think it’s a bit fussy.

 

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Since the dashed tie (I prefer this to "dotted") indicates something that's optional or provisional or an alternate version (quite common in scholarly editions, as has been pointed out), repeating the accidental makes sense to me, since you would need it if the tie wasn't there. It also has the advantage here of correct playback if you are forced to simulated dashed ties with slurs.

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  		   Posted 4/28/2015 12:59 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dashed or dotted ties SHOULD be natively supported in Finale.
I would venture to say it will be in a future version as Sibelius and the up coming (some like to call it vaporware) Steinberg are incorporating them.

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The term "vaporware" to me implies that they're not really developing it but are pretending to for some ulterior motive, which I very much doubt is the case with Steinberg. They seem sincere and working hard on it.

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  		   Posted 4/28/2015 1:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
The term "vaporware" to me implies that they're not really developing it but are pretending to for some ulterior motive, which I very much doubt is the case with Steinberg. They seem sincere and working hard on it.


I agree.
Nevertheless some (very few) especially on the Sibelius forum liken it to that.....with this dust up on Avid's new model to purchase and own Sibelius.

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Many thanks for the various comments. Yes, I see now why the accidental should be repeated. However, on revisitng my engraved part, I've decided to replace all the dashed ties with normal ties. They look a lot neater and this part is only for my own use!

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