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Zuill
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| Posted 12/29/2016 12:42 PM (GMT -6) |   | Since tuplets are easy for me, I would find it more cumbersome to copy from another file. However, it certainly might be useful for some.
Bar 21 seems to have an error. You have defined a 5 group of 16ths, but each group has 6 16ths. Also, bars 9 and 10 don't seem to be correct. I'm not sure of the intention. In bar 9, if the first 3 notes are a triplet, then they should be bracketed to distinguish the triplet from the next 2 16ths. Maybe we need some clarification.
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Motet
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| Posted 12/29/2016 1:05 PM (GMT -6) | | I recommend really learning and understanding either Simple entry's Alt+9 method or Speedy entry's Ctrl+n commands and forgetting all the various advice I've seen around here of entering the wrong note values and later editing, invoking the separate Tuplet tool after the fact, turning off "check for extra notes", etc., etc. The tools are there and they work. Once learned, they should cover the vast majority of situations, and are in fact usually easier and faster than all those other things, including copying from another file.
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 12/29/2016 1:23 PM (GMT -6) | | I agree with Motet and Zuill. It is best to learn the tools. As a physicist, I learned the basic axioms and learned to derive what I needed rather than memorize formulae. Same principle in play here.
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Zuill
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| Posted 12/29/2016 1:40 PM (GMT -6) | | To add to that, make sure to understand the mathematics of tuplets. If that is not understood, it's hard to get any program to do that for you.
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P.S.: I fixed all the measures except 21. I am still not sure what is wanted there, as it looks like it should be a sextuplet, but it's defined as a quintuplet.
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Zuill
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| Posted 12/29/2016 5:53 PM (GMT -6) | | And, if the tuplets are done incorrectly in the model file, copying them to another document will give the same incorrect result. Also, some things tend to not copy correctly between all files, especially if the tuplet is in the middle of a measure. Better to learn how to do them correctly and then you'll have them at your fingertips at all times.
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 12/29/2016 8:15 PM (GMT -6) | | On a more advance layer, there are nested tuplets to consider.
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Christopher Smith
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| Posted 12/30/2016 12:13 AM (GMT -6) | | Charles Lawrence said...
On a more advance layer, there are nested tuplets to consider.
That's surprisingly easy, too. Say you want three groups of 8th notes in a quarter note triplet. Speedy Entry.
Opt 3, enter first note with 5 (to define the enclosing quarter note triplet.)
Left-arrow back onto this note, hit opt-3 again, hit 4 (to make it an eighth note triplet).
Enter the next two notes. For the next triplet opt-3 again, enter 3 8ths, then opt-3 for the last group enter 3 8ths again and you're done!
I flip or drag up the enclosing triplet bracket manually afterwards.
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 12/30/2016 10:30 AM (GMT -6) | | |
Christopher,
Once you understand how the tools work, just about any tuplet imaginable can be "easily" created.
Here is an old thread from 2013 on how to create "complicated tuplets". In it I present my methods of creating nested tuplets. Scroll down the posts in the thread until you come to my long post. In it, I give four methods, two using simple entry with a mouse, and two using speedy entry, no MIDI. One method forms the outside tuplet first, then the inside tuplet. The second method does the opposite, forming the inside tuplet first, then the outside tuplet.
Hope you find this study of interest.
Oops! I forgot to enter the link. http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&p=1&m=391894
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