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| NickG Registered Member
Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 362 | Posted Today 1:52 PM (GMT -6) | | Just wanted to show a sample page 1 of the Nocturne by Samuel Barber I'm testing in Dorico. The only adjustments I had to make is a slight adjustment in the slurs in the 1st measure LH. Please disregard the last 2 measures with the base voice rests that are not hidden. This is a bug that they will fix. I have to say I'm very impressed. NickG
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| NickG Registered Member
Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 362 | Posted Today 2:10 PM (GMT -6) | | Yes! you are correct in your assessments. Dorico did exactly what you suggested. I changed it purposely to exactly copy how it was produced by my old copy of S.Schirmer. NickG
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| NickG Registered Member
Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 362 | Posted Today 2:13 PM (GMT -6) | | Michel R. E. said... in the original, the mp is much closer to the upper staff, but the cantando is lower (and not touching the barline) Quite right, I was playing with adjustments so I made those adjustments. NickG
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| Motet Isorhythmic
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| MikeHalloran Registered Member
Date Joined Oct 2001 Total Posts : 217 | Posted Today 3:42 PM (GMT -6) | | In addition to he other suggestions, I would slide the 8va a few pixels to the right. It looks very good. Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2011c, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.07, GPO 5 2010 iMac i7, 32G RAM, 2T SSD, Late 2013 MacBook Air, OS 10.12.1 MOTU Digital Performer 9.12, 9.02, Logic Pro X 10.2.4 | Back to Top | |
| NickG Registered Member
Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 362 | Posted Today 5:15 PM (GMT -6) | | I wanted to mention that doing this in Dorico required just about no tweaking (aside from my moving things around to test). I think that I would have done a lot more tweaking in Finale. One oddity I encountered was with 8va. I enter the notes as I would like to see them on the page, select the notes. Invoke 8va. And all the selected note shift down an octave. I have to manually shift them back up. Not too happy with that. NickG
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| NickG Registered Member
Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 362 | Posted Today 5:16 PM (GMT -6) | | OCTO. said...NickG said... Just wanted to show a sample page 1 of the Nocturne by Samuel Barber I'm testing in Dorico. The only adjustments I had to make is a slight adjustment in the slurs in the 1st measure LH. Please disregard the last 2 measures with the base voice rests that are not hidden. This is a bug that they will fix. I have to say I'm very impressed. Please post on www.notat.io Will do. NickG
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| NickG Registered Member
Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 362 | Posted Today 5:41 PM (GMT -6) | | Just wanted to update on the 8va issue. I found that while in note input mode, before entering the note, I can invoke 8va - then all the notes I enter stay put. That speeds thins up. NickG
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| N. Grossingink Registered Member
Date Joined Nov 2002 Total Posts : 3991 | Posted Today 7:37 PM (GMT -6) | | Sorry, but this demo has a lot of problems. I realize you're probably still in the process of "test driving" the software, so you're dealing with Dorico's default output, which at this stage looks pretty raw.
√ The slurs in m1 are not good. Finale's default is much better:
√ The text in m1 is too big. Should be same size as "cantando".
√ The accidentals on all 16th notes are too close to the preceding note or stem. There is no need for this crowding because the music is not that dense.
√ The dynamics are indeed "optically centered" under the corresponding notehead, which sometimes gives the illusion that the dynamic mark is slightly to the right of center.
I know that Dorico has a long way to go, a year or 2, before all features are implemented and algorithms are smoothed out.
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| Knut Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2006 Total Posts : 601 | Posted 12/19/2016 10:33 AM (GMT -6) | | BvdPress said... Can the accidental distance from the notes be adjusted? The naturals many times appear too close while the flats seem to be the right distance. Measure 7 is a good place to see the different distances.
Yes. Dorico allows control over the distance between individual accidental types and their applied note, as well as the minimum distance between accidentals and the succeeding note.
Indeed most of the issues raised in this thread can be easily remedied by altering the global engraving options, but, of course, some of these may present problems in other sections of the same movement Dorico's flow concept allows you to apply different engraving and layout settings to different movements of a piece.
Wiggy said... Dorico does much effortlessly for which Finale requires some manual intervention. However, the reverse is also true: many of Dorico's weak points are easily or effortlessly dealt with in Finale.
While this is certainly true, there is no question that Dorico allows much finer control over different engraving problems and cases than Finale, which, in turn, reduces the amount of manual editing needed.
John Ruggero said... Aside from some problems in this Dorico example that require a bit of user tweaking, I much prefer the overall appearance of Finale using the Maestro font. This looks anemic to me.
Really? I can certainly understand your preference for one font over another, but given the razor thin stroke width of many aspects of the Maestro font, I'm puzzled that Bravura, which is much bolder, would give you the more 'anemic' impression. Then again, maybe I'm misunderstanding something. 13" MacBook Pro 2.8 Ghz. Intel Core i5, 16 GB RAM, Apogee Duet 2, Samsung SyncMaster 245b OSX 10.9.5, Finale 2011c and 2014b (not using it yet) w/GPO & JABB, Patterson Plug-Ins, TG-Tools and QuickKeys 4; Sibelius 6, Logic Pro X, Adobe CS3, FontLab Studio 4, FontExplorer X Pro 3 | Back to Top | |
| Knut Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2006 Total Posts : 601 | Posted 12/19/2016 11:58 AM (GMT -6) | | Dr. Wiggy said...
There are a number of other SMuFL fonts that can be used with Dorico, including November, and that number is certain to grow. They need to have a JSON file (sort of open-source FAN equivalent).
The JSON file of SMuFL fonts contain a lot more information than a Finale FAN file and is a key component of Dorico's advanced kerning and placement abilities. This means that, if Finale is ever to adopt the SMuFL standard, they will, theoretically, be able to take advantage of the same information. The question is, though, whether Finale's current architecture allows for this. 13" MacBook Pro 2.8 Ghz. Intel Core i5, 16 GB RAM, Apogee Duet 2, Samsung SyncMaster 245b OSX 10.9.5, Finale 2011c and 2014b (not using it yet) w/GPO & JABB, Patterson Plug-Ins, TG-Tools and QuickKeys 4; Sibelius 6, Logic Pro X, Adobe CS3, FontLab Studio 4, FontExplorer X Pro 3 | Back to Top | |
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