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Ankarblom
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| Posted 10/8/2012 4:21 PM (GMT -6) |   | Hi!
I'm trying to get to know Finale 2012a, Win7 (Finale-user since 3.0):
I'm sending all my Strings (Vln. 1, Vln. 2 etc) to the same external playback device via MIDI, on the same MIDI-channel for playback on a 'string-section' sound.
Although the strings-staves have different Instruments assigned to them in the Score Manager I cannot use different, for example, dynamics on different staves *); they ALL play back with same velocity, which of course is unsatisfying. This seems to me to be due to the face that all strings-Instruments play on the same MIDI-channel. How do I go around that?
'Instruments' seems to bee 'slaves' to midi-channels first to Instruments, which was not the case in earlier versions.
I don't wanna (don't have the time to) change my complete outboard setup...
This behaviour also of course applies to other parts od the orchestral score. All Flute staves play on the same Flute-sound in my setup (to save memory-space) etc , and if, say, Flute 3 goes to Piccolo, Flute 1&2 does the same....... Is, simply, doesn't work...
Please give me a hint anyone? Many thanks in advance!
/KALLE
*) For example I wan't Violin I to play Forte, but the rest of strings mezzoforte. | | Back to Top | |
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Zuill
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| Posted 10/8/2012 4:36 PM (GMT -6) | | Make sure each instrument is on a different channel.
Zuill
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Finale 2002b, 2003a, 2004b, 2005b, Win XP SP3, 2011b Win 7 64bit, 2012a Bought and Paid For (Hopefully soon 2012b with some of the MAJOR BUGS fixed--well, now with 2012b and some of the bugs are fixed) 2012c, with some bug fixes
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Ankarblom
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| Posted 10/8/2012 4:39 PM (GMT -6) | | But I Want To send them to THE SAME channel.
Because that's were my strings-sound is located in my setup. | | Back to Top | |
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Ankarblom
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| Posted 10/8/2012 4:45 PM (GMT -6) | | Thank you Motet!
I've tryed using different Instruments.
This doesn't seem to matter as long as the Instruments play on/share the same MIDI-channel.
In the file I tried to work on all, for example, strings staves are assigned to different Instruments, but the do send to the same MIDI-channel and that's were my problem seem to start.
Looking like this;
Stave Instrument MIDI-channel
Violin 1 Violin 1 11
Violin 2 Violin 2 11
Viola Viola 11
Cello Cello 11
Contrabass Contrabass 11 | | Back to Top | |
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Ankarblom
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| Posted 10/8/2012 4:47 PM (GMT -6) | | I should point out that I don't use Human Playback in my work.
So Continous Data, like Volume changes etc is not an issue in this matter | | Back to Top | |
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Bill Reed
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| Posted 10/8/2012 5:25 PM (GMT -6) | | Depending on his MIDI interface, he may only have 16 channels...
But the chances are good that the Garritan instruments that come with Finale are way better then you external sound module.
Back to Finale 2011, Notion, Sonar
Win7 x64, 64GB RAM
M-Audio ProFire 2626
Kontakt, VSL VI, VE Pro, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos
A closet full of cables, cords, adaptors, etc. Let me know if you need anything | | Back to Top | |
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Ankarblom
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| Posted 10/8/2012 6:05 PM (GMT -6) | | Sounds like a shall explane my setup & workings a bit more;
I use two instances of EWQL "Play"-engines outside Finale, but on the same computer as Finale is running on, wired through artificiall MIDI-cables (is that what those are called in english?) from Finale to the Play-engines via MIDI Out from Finale.
So the playback is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar superior to that from any Garritan divice and very much apprciated be my clients in gaming and the film industry and so on.
But; I push Finale so hard that it crashes like once every hour. Waiting for Finale to load a 3333 4331 13 Hp Pi Archi -score every time it hangs is NOT an option in my work.
Having the Plays running outside Finale I can be back working within 15 sek. of a hang.
BUT, the Play engines are pushing the computer to it's limits. Loading like THREE DIFFERENT Flute-sounds for 3 different Flute-staves is not an option. It would eat up the CPU instantly. __So therefore it's an aim of mine to keep the loaded sounds to a Minimum__.
Also note that I DON'T use Human Playback in my work. I don't have time to wait for it loading playback preferences for a large score every time I wanna check a passage, which is of course often. So Volume/Expression-data is Not something I work with, therefor the One channel - One dynamic, like Ron pointed out, have NOT been true in my way of work since 1994, since I only work with velocity & transpositions in my playback. It worked, pre Finale 2012, perfectly to have Horn 1 play velocity 120 and the remaining horns mf THOUGH they are sending to the same midi-channel, as long as it was different Instruments assaigned to the different horn-staves.
I understand my working with MIDI might be stone-age. BUT it enables me to use worldleading sounds in my playback and it's all very quick.
Up to Finale 2012 Instruments was 'king' over a MIDI-channel, but now, I guess, due to Human Playback considerations, Channels rule over Instruments.
I just wonder if I can work around it somehow, so I can keep my fantastic-sounding setup, and still use Finale 2012. I presently on 2010, where all this works just beatifully.
BUT, ***drum-roll***, if I load a pre-Fin2012 score into Fin2012 it plays back just as it would in an earlier version!!!....... :O . SO, that means Finale 2012 CAN work the way I would like it to, I just have to find the way...! :)
Thank you for all your input! I highly appreciate it! Keep it comin' !
/K | | Back to Top | |
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Ankarblom
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| Posted 10/8/2012 6:14 PM (GMT -6) | | I doubel-cheched again:
If I load an old document into Finale 2012a where, like in the example above, Horn 1 plays velocity 127 but Horn 2-3-4 plays say velocity 20; different instruments BUT sent to the same channel IT WORKS JUST FINE, like it would in an earlier Finale-version.
SO, what I'm looking for IS there under the hood in Finale 2012.... I just want to fina a way to have it work with Finales "Score Manager" | | Back to Top | |
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Jari Williamsson
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| Posted 10/9/2012 10:11 AM (GMT -6) | | | |
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