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Motet
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Motet
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Zuill
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| Posted 1/23/2016 12:19 PM (GMT -6) | | Personally, my ears never had a problem with many parallel or direct 5ths or octaves. Context is what counts. The literature is full of them, but when it works, it works. The guidelines are not rules. It's an artist who makes the judgment call.
Zuill
P.S.: Just perused a few Bach chorales to confirm my suspicion. I recall my theory professor getting irritated when I would find such examples. So many years ago.
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Peter Bowron
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| Posted 12/1/2016 1:16 AM (GMT -6) | | | Not sure I agree with the criticism of the tool - I've just started using this, and as Michael R.E said, it's picked the parallel motion between a couple of different voices. That's what the tool is supposed to do - under certain conditions parallel 5ths and octaves are considered undesirable. If you do a piano reduction, you will see the motion more clearly. I have an old accompaniment writing book by William Lovelock which gives many examples. So, the piano reduction of the piece nominated would be consecutive octaves in the RH, which are acceptable according to my source. They are rules that can be broken, just use your ears and maybe try out some classical solutions if you think it can be improved. I am finding the tool useful when the desired accompaniment is arpeggio form - found one in my first two bars that I'd missed! | | Back to Top | |
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Motet
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Michel R. E.
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| Posted 12/1/2016 2:53 AM (GMT -6) | | Peter Bowron said...
Not sure I agree with the criticism of the tool - I've just started using this, and as Michael R.E said, it's picked the parallel motion between a couple of different voices. That's what the tool is supposed to do - under certain conditions parallel 5ths and octaves are considered undesirable. If you do a piano reduction, you will see the motion more clearly. I have an old accompaniment writing book by William Lovelock which gives many examples. So, the piano reduction of the piece nominated would be consecutive octaves in the RH, which are acceptable according to my source. They are rules that can be broken, just use your ears and maybe try out some classical solutions if you think it can be improved. I am finding the tool useful when the desired accompaniment is arpeggio form - found one in my first two bars that I'd missed!
I think you missed my criticism of the "feature".
if there is an octave between your soprano and alto, let's say both D, then on the next beat an octave between soprano and tenor, for simplicity's sake E in both voices, the plugin will mark those as "parallel octaves", which they are not. For octaves to be parallel they must be between the same two voices. In our example it would have to be D followed by E, in both the soprano and alto.
Applying the plugin to a 4-staff choral score will bring up more "false positives", as Motet has called them, than actual parallel octaves.
You could use the plugin to check the soprano and alto staves, or the alto and tenor, or the tenor and bass staves, but you cannot let it run all four staves at once.
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