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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/7/2007 8:37 PM (GMT -6) |   | I have some very simple notation--11/8, three beamed eighths, two beamed eighths, three beamed eighths, three beamed eighths--to which I need to add some special symbols to in Adobe Illustrator, because it's easier to create these symbols there.
When I open the EPS file (exported from Finale 2007 with PICT preview and fonts included), the time signature shows up in Maestro, as do the stems and beams, but the noteheads are in Courier CE and are the œ character. My fonts are properly installed, according to the installer, so I don't understand why I am unable to work with this EPS file in Illustrator.
TIFF export is not desirable. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! | | Back to Top | |
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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/8/2007 9:48 AM (GMT -6) | | Well, let's see. . .in the first place, I shouldn't have to do this, as previous versions of Finale EPS files open fine in Illustrator, but yes, I did print to a postscript file, distill to PDF, open the file in Illustrator, and the noteheads are still substituted. I also tried distilling the EPS to a PDF, with the same results.
Could it be the location of the fonts? Maybe I need to move them from wherever Finale installed them to my local directory? | | Back to Top | |
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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/8/2007 11:42 AM (GMT -6) | | I need to use Postscript fonts, due to the printer's demands, even though the fonts will be embedded in press-ready PDFs, ultimately. I downloaded the latest Font Pak and installed it, and the same thing happens. The fonts are fine in Finale, but can't be accessed in Illustrator. It's not that I need to do any editing to the music--at most I will move things a bit. I just want to be able to open them and add a couple of elements in Illustrator. Sigh.
Maybe I'll switch to the TrueTypes and hope that the printer won't notice. . .yeah, sure.  | | Back to Top | |
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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/9/2007 7:38 AM (GMT -6) | | When I mentioned "printer", I meant a commercial printer of books, not me locally or a copy shop. I, too, supply all final files as press-ready PDFs to the printer; my EPS/PDF files are all placed in InDesign or Quark layouts. When I referred to "printing to a postscript file", although I did also try the useless "compile postscript listing" also, I meant using the "Print" command in Mac OS X 10.4.9 and printing the file to postscript there, which, when distilled, yields a PDF that can then be opened and edited in Illustrator, but still exhibits the font substitution problem.
The problem is not placing the EPS/PDF files in the layout apps--that works just fine, with no substitutions. It's opening them in Illustrator to do a little touchup. It's character substitution--the noteheads for the half notes are œ. The rest of the example is fine, time signature, stems, and beams.
Surely someone else has experienced this! | | Back to Top | |
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migman
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| Posted 4/9/2007 7:39 AM (GMT -6) | | | If you don't have a font manager like Extensis Suitcase, try placing your music fonts in the Users>My_User_Name>Library<Fonts folder. That's the OSX fonts folder that has the hightst priority. Another thing you could do (which I agree you shouldn't have to do) is to use Illustrator's Type>Find Font to swap the Courier for Maestro. | | Back to Top | |
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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/9/2007 7:58 AM (GMT -6) | | yeah. . .already tried all of those. . .and Extensis's five-part list for managing fonts and cleaning caches. The first thing I tried was the Find Font--no idea why that wouldn't have worked.
If I find the solution to this, I'll be sure to post the answer. | | Back to Top | |
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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/10/2007 7:31 AM (GMT -6) | | | Yep, I've been working with this stuff for about 20 years now. However, I tend to try every possible alternative when I'm testing something like this, so had already done this. But thanks! | | Back to Top | |
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Dr. Wiggy
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| Posted 4/10/2007 7:46 AM (GMT -6) | | Shawn Girsberger said...
the useless "compile postscript listing"
I actually find the Finale Compile Postscript function to be extremely useful. Currently, EPS graphics imported into Finale do not display or print properly. The only way to print EPS graphics properly seems to be through this menu.
It also compiles fonts as complete resources, and not as subsets, which I prefer.
As to your problem, check that the font folder which includes Maestro is in the Distiller Font folder list. That way, Distiller should add the font if it is not in the (E)PS.
It does sound as though Maestro is not installed on your machine properly. Perhaps you have more than one version in different places, or both TrueType and PS versions together?
Also, I'd recommend FontExplorerX as a free font management tool.
Finally, you could try reading the EPS file in a Text editor, such as TextWrangler. It should say what the fonts are that it needs, and whether they are in the file or not.
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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/10/2007 8:33 AM (GMT -6) | | Thanks, Wiggy, for your thorough suggestions. I'm not importing EPS graphics into Finale, though--I want to open an exported Finale EPS in Illustrator CS2 so I can add a couple of symbols created there to the notation.
I checked my list of fonts in Distiller 7.0, and all of my font folder are in this list.
I cleaned out former versions of the Finale font sets from my system and backed them up. I reinstalled my fonts so the new versions are the only versions extant. I use the Postscript versions to keep the print companies, which often use older technology for output, happy.
I use Suitcase X as my font manager, which works wonderfully. But because the Finale fonts reside in either the /Library/Fonts folder or the /User/Library/Fonts (I've tried both), a font manager should not be necessary.
According to the text editor, the fonts are in the EPS. I think I'll check the Adobe site. Perhaps someone there is having these kinds of issues, and it may not be a Finale issue at all.
Sorry for the lengthy discourse! | | Back to Top | |
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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/10/2007 9:27 AM (GMT -6) | | I agree completely. I use TTs and OTFs for all kinds of print work, and never have any problems. There are only a handful of printers I send files to who are still tied to the old technology, and they're all the ones working for music publishers. Just trying to keep everyone happy!!
Glad I know how to work around this, but I'll keep butting my head against that door till it opens! I know I'll use your solution sometime. Thanks! | | Back to Top | |
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John Blane
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| Posted 4/20/2007 11:39 PM (GMT -6) | | | I did not see this listed in your list of attempts - did you try exporting the EPS and NOT including the fonts? I would think that if you are going to Illustrator and then to PDF, you shouldn't need to embed the fonts until the PDF step. | | Back to Top | |
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Shawn Girsberger
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| Posted 4/21/2007 8:36 AM (GMT -6) | | I tried what you have suggested, but the result is the same--the noteheads still show up as œ. And, I'm not making PDFs of the individual Finale files. I'm placing the EPS files in InDesign, and then exporting to PDF from there, which works fine. The point was just to be able to add a graphic element in Illustrator.
I'm checking in the Adobe Forum to see if anyone has had a similar problem and has a solution. Thanks for your suggestion, though. | | Back to Top | |
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