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| Posted By : Claude Krier - 6/9/2012 4:03 PM | There is something strange in my score.
In M. 329 I have configurated different groups with different barlines, in scroll view everything is OK but in page view they appear only on next page. Does anyone know how correct?
Claude |
| Posted By : Peter Thomsen - 6/9/2012 6:59 PM | I am not sure what you are talking about.
You have posted a PDF file.
It might be easier to understand with an actual .mus document.
I have been searching for what you call "different groups with different barlines" around M. 329.
The only thing I can find, is in the Saxes:
On page 28 the barlines go through all three sax staves, but on page 29 the barlines are broken above the B. Sx. B♭ staff.
Is that what you are talking about?
You can break the barlines with a custom staff style applied to the B. Sx. B♭ staff:
In the custom staff style, select "Break Barlines Between Staves".
Peter
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| Posted By : Claude Krier - 6/10/2012 2:11 AM | Woodwinds, sax etc. have dashed barlines, but in page view they appear only from M 332. They have been configurated to appear from M. 230. Idem for "break barlines"
I have a solution by fitting measures to the next page, but the problem by itself looks strange.
Claude |
| Posted By : Flint - 6/10/2012 2:50 AM | fyi - low A's in the saxophones are out of range.
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| Posted By : David Ward - 6/10/2012 5:27 AM | Flint said...
fyi - low A's in the saxophones are out of range.
More widely, instrumental ranges do vary from the text book standard. I have a bass oboe as a doubling instrument in my current piece. I am treating B as the lowest note, but I understand that many instruments can reach B flat and that the German version, the Heckelphone, goes down to A. In the same piece I have a contrabass clarinet, and specifically require one that goes down to the low written C sounding as contrabass B flat (the bottom note of the double bassoon). However, I'm aware that by no means all contrabass clarinets can go so low. As for my own instrument, the bass trombone, its extreme low range is regularly understated in text books &c.
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| Posted By : Christopher Smith - 6/10/2012 11:18 AM | Most, if not all, modern baritone saxes have a low A. There are a couple of examples out there of non-bari saxes with low As, (including for a short time a Selmer Mark VI alto) but I have never seen one. Some musicians are playing older baritones without a low A (Gerry Mulligan and Pepper Adams were both adamantly against low A baris, claiming they had inferior response) but most composers are writing for bari as if they all had low A.
Just about every tenor player has a story about encountering a low A and turning the instrument in against their thigh to get it to sound, but the quality is inferior and can't be done quickly.
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| Posted By : Peter Thomsen - 6/10/2012 11:53 AM | Claude Krier said...
Woodwinds, sax etc. have dashed barlines, but in page view they appear only from M 332. They have been configurated to appear from M. 230. Idem for "break barlines"
I have a solution by fitting measures to the next page, but the problem by itself looks strange.
Claude
Sorry about the late reply.
In the attached Finale 2011 document there is a simple example (only 4 staves!) that shows a solution.
Even in this simple example there are 4 staff groups.
Basically you have to begin the groups at the beginning of the system, and then "Override Group Barlines" in the first measures of the system.
If you do a lot of poking around in my file, you'll learn some things.
It would take me long to explain all of the settings I did, but you can figure it out.
If you have any questions, let me know.
Peter
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| Posted By : Claude Krier - 6/11/2012 1:06 AM | Thank you Peter,
In fact the solution is that you have to start in a new system and override. I found out but I thought that there might be a different way.
Claude |
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