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| Posted By : LP - 12/29/2016 3:55 PM | I have been trying to use the decresendo mark (the greater than arrow). I can place it where I want it, but when I play it back the song doesn't fade out. (This is the end of the song). Any suggestions? Please give me step by step instructions. I am just a hobbyist - not a trained musician. Thank you.
FINALE 2014.5, Windows 7, not using any MIDI (do I need too?). |
| Posted By : Zuill - 12/29/2016 4:03 PM | if you put a p or pp dynamic at the end of the decrescendo does it work?
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| Posted By : LP - 12/29/2016 4:34 PM | | Well, yes and no. The melody does fade. I have chords with fret boards above the melody that do not fade. Why wouldn't the WHOLE arrangement fade together? |
| Posted By : Zuill - 12/29/2016 4:37 PM | Chord symbols have a mind of their own. I can't say about that. You might have to use the MIDI Tool to get a real fade out.
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P.S.: I can get a MIDI Volume fade to work, but I have to turn off HP to get it. HP has a mind of its own as well.
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| Posted By : Derrek - 12/29/2016 6:05 PM | Expressions do not (necessarily) affect all layers of an instrument, and chords are treated as a separate layer. Try setting the "Expressions" "layer" to the same instrument as your chords; that is apparently what the Expressions "layer" is for.
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| Posted By : Zuill - 12/29/2016 6:22 PM | Unfortunately, your file doesn't change volume at all for me. When I change the instrument to piano, then the notes dim, but not the chords, even when they are on a different channel along with expressions.
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| Posted By : Derrek - 12/29/2016 8:32 PM | The point is that the string chords dim when the Expressions is set to the string patch used in the chords (in VST). When I set Layer 1 to oboe and Expressions to oboe, the "melody" dim's but the chords do not.
Perhaps it works differently for velocity instruments than for sustaining instruments.
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| Posted By : Zuill - 12/29/2016 8:39 PM | Since I have a different aria player version, it wiped out the sounds, so I didn't know what you had used. Now that you mention what they were, I can test it.
Zuill
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
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| Posted By : Derrek - 12/30/2016 12:35 PM | It took me years to find out (from MM) what Expressions actually did. It appears to be a vestigial attempt to align dynamics with specific layers, but since it can only work for one layer, it is not of much use for two instruments on a staff.
Still, it's nice to know what it does. Once can always use another tool in the toolbox.
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TG Tools Full, (Sonar Platinum, Dorico)
“Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” — Groucho Marx
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| Posted By : Motet - 12/30/2016 2:12 PM | Expressions used to be different; they could be "note attached" or "measure attached."
Finale 2014.5, 2011b, 2005, TGTools
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MIDI input
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