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Saffron
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   Posted 3/19/2010 3:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Last time I posted on this was in November - and nothing has happened since. It's almost as if MM doesn't want its user base developing plug-ins! And that's nuts! cool
 
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   Posted 4/4/2010 10:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello? Forum admin? Anyone here? <echo> <echo> ...


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JustinP
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   Posted 4/6/2010 11:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all,

I checked in with our development team and there are no plans to release a Finale plug-in development kit for 2010.

Thanks,

-Justin


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Motet
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   Posted 4/10/2010 6:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What's a plug-in writer to do?


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Motet
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   Posted 7/31/2010 7:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I enquired of MM about the plug-in kit, and got the impression is not going to be available anymore.


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   Posted 8/2/2010 4:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If MM has no plans to release a PDK for 2010 or encourage plugin development, then why does this sub-forum even exist?


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Dr. Wiggy
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   Posted 8/3/2010 9:56 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jetcopy said...
why does this sub-forum even exist?

It doesn't even get posts about iPad video conversion!

As Finale comes with TGTools Lite and Patterson plug-ins, then it must be supplying the PDK to Tobias and Robert, or at the very least condoning or supporting the creation of plug-ins by people other than MM. Certainly, the architecture still exists, and plug-ins are being written and maintained by MM itself.

So, either MM only trusts a small number of third-party developers to write plug-ins; or there is some other development afoot, like a fundamental re-write of the architecture.

I downloaded the PDK when it was possible to do so, and to me it looked like a complete clusterf... errr, convoluted and over-complicated piece of kit.

However, I think anyone who is interesting is writing -- or indeed USING -- plug-ins should submit a request to MM that the PDK, or some form of modular architecture, be made available, or some statement about it's future be made.

There are many indispensable features of TGTools, without which some tasks would be a serious chore.


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   Posted 8/3/2010 7:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When I made the Patterson/Giesen point, I was told "they have their own methods." When I asked for an old kit, I was told "no." When I asked about documentation of the API, I was told "no." Either it's deemed to be a support liability, or perhaps they feel it's giving away trade secrets.


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   Posted 8/4/2010 4:22 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have submitted a TS request calling on MM to clarify the position on the PDK, e.g. Is it permanently withdrawn; will something replace it in the future.

I suggest that everyone else do likewise.


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   Posted 8/4/2010 5:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all,

The PDK has been withdrawn and there are no plans for a new version at this time. I am not sure about a new version in the future, however I will submit that as a request to our development team.

Thanks,


Justin Phillips
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   Posted 8/6/2010 5:49 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As one of the fortunate few who acquired the PDK early on, the idea of a major change of architecture is worrisome. I can't imagine that MM would do that considering the amount of recoding it would take, but one never knows. I've written numerous plug-ins for my own purposes, and would be up the proverbial creek if the architecture changed and an attendant PDK was not forthcoming. I always turn blue when I hold my breath, so I guess I won't this time.

Pat


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   Posted 8/8/2010 11:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Patrick Rice said...
the idea of a major change of architecture is worrisome.

It was an idea entirely of my own invention, so no need for worry. However, all progress brings destruction, and it is clear that each year MM rewrites an entire section of the program.

Perhaps future versions of Finale, in which plug-ins are no longer supported, might have other ways for you to achieve whatever it is that your plug-ins do? But this is again speculation.


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   Posted 11/27/2010 4:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is sad news. I seriously doubt MM is going to totally re architect things, but its possible that as they move forward with incremental changes they are finding it difficult to do so without breaking the PDK and they don't want to have to keep it up to date too. The sad news is that yes, in the future I suspect many existing plugins are going to break on future versions of Finale and that sucks.

Hopefully Finalescript will be improved enough to keep us all happy. But anyone with a large collection of homemade plugins is probably gonna be SOL. Very sad to hear it, as for me the PDK was a very nice feature of Finale.

Regarding Patterson and TGTools, I find it hard to believe that MM would cut them off, so either they are getting insider info to keep their stuff up to date or else Finale will have to be improved to include those features. maybe they could just buy those guys out and end 90% of the need for plugins at all.
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   Posted 11/29/2010 5:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
dewdman42:
Finalescript is a plug-in.
And MusicXML is a (specialized) plug-in. Human Playback is a (specialized) plug-in. And so on.


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   Posted 12/3/2010 3:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What do you use, Jari? An old kit?


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   Posted 12/5/2010 11:12 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
What do you use, Jari? An old kit?


Well, the PDK is just the background layer for me now. The front-end for me is the PDK Framework.


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