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KennethKen
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Date Joined Dec 1998
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Posted 9/30/2012 3:00 PM (GMT -6)

Hi Jari,

I'm not sure what Iriomatic checks will actually checks but could there be a way JW Validate checks for paired expressions? For example, checking to make sure there is a "senza sord." expression somewhere on the staff following a "con sord." espression. I don't know if you'd have to great a library or have a user create a library with such pairings or perhaps having 2 fields that the user would fill for each search but it would be a great way to check for muting, pizzacato, bells up, sul tasto and other technique changes that usually require an indication of a return to normal.

Ken

Windows 7 Pro (64 bit), Finale 2012b, Core i7 [email protected], 8GB Ram

http://www.AmisMusicalCircle.com

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Jari Williamsson
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Date Joined Dec 1998
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Posted 10/1/2012 12:32 AM (GMT -6)

The idiomatic tests are not hooked up in the current beta. The PDF lists the currently available tests.

Jari Williamsson

Windows XP, Pentium 4
2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM

www.finaletips.nu - The Finale Productivity Tips site

KennethKen
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 2570

Posted 11/1/2012 2:43 PM (GMT -6)

Would consider adding the ability for the plugin to check for duplicate hairpins (or other smart shapes). It currently does this for slurs but I'm finding a need for such a checker for a project I'm working on now where I'm doing alot of copy & pasting with the edit filter. I guess I'm being a bit sloppy. blush

Ken

Windows 7 Pro (64 bit), Finale 2014, Core i7 [email protected], 8GB Ram

http://www.AmisMusicalCircle.com

Brass music, Woodwind Music, Concert Band Music, CDs, etc.

Post Edited (KennethKen) : 11/28/2013 7:56:32 AM (GMT-6)

KennethKen
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Total Posts : 2570

Posted 4/24/2013 7:25 AM (GMT -6)

HBegun said...

There's one other aspect of rest placement that Finale has never handled properly. Rests are always supposed to be placed on a staff line. If they fall outside the staff, they should be at a height corresponding to where a ledger line would go (though I think there can be exceptions in this case). When transposing or changing the key of a passage that includes non-floating rests, those rests are moved up or down by the equivalent interval. In many cases (such as transposing up or down a second), they end up sitting on a space and must be fixed manually.

Jari,

Could JW Validate scan for rests with an odd (+ or -) number displacement and warn the user?

Ken

Windows 7 Pro (64 bit), Finale 2012c, Core i7 [email protected], 8GB Ram

http://www.AmisMusicalCircle.com

Brass music, Woodwind Music, Concert Band Music, CDs, etc.

KennethKen
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 2570

Posted 11/6/2013 9:11 AM (GMT -6)

Jari,

In Finale 2014 JW Validate is reporting that certain accidentals are hidden when, in fact, they are not.

In the "Issues" column text isn't showing when, I believe, a "System not locked" alert is given. Clicking "Details" opens a window that simply says, "alert:".

Also, can the "Issue" window show defined measure numbers instead of actual measure numbers?

Ken
What a great plugin!

Windows 7 Pro (64 bit), Finale 2014, Core i7 [email protected], 8GB Ram

http://www.AmisMusicalCircle.com

Brass music, Woodwind Music, Concert Band Music, CDs, etc.

Jetcopy
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Date Joined Oct 2000
Total Posts : 4795

Posted 11/12/2013 8:13 PM (GMT -6)

Jari,

I've just started using this plugin and am very impressed with its possibilities. One suggestion for the future. As an engraver I get a lot of files from different composers. One of the most common mistakes I see, is when the composer inserts a hairpin in the score without paying attention to which staff it's attached to. If this plugin were able to scan a file and alert the user as to any hairpin which is placed above the staff it's attached to, it would be a real time saver for the engraver.

Great work.
Jeff

Macbook Pro OSX 10.8.5, 2.66GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB RAM

pianoguy36609
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Date Joined Jun 2014
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Posted 4/9/2015 10:20 PM (GMT -6)

Trying to figure out the trick to the "Grace note with downward stem" issue. What sayeth the guru?

Matthew Purvis

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Peter Thomsen
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Posted 4/10/2015 2:30 AM (GMT -6)

pianoguy36609 said...
Trying to figure out the trick to the "Grace note with downward stem" issue. What sayeth the guru?

Matthew Purvis

Welcome to the forum!

I am not sure I understand.

Do you need a layout like this?

Peter

Mac Finale, 2011c, 2012c & 2014d, Dolet 6.4 plug-in, Mac OS X 10.9.5, iMac Intel Core i7, 2.93 GHz, 16 GB RAM

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pianoguy36609
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Posted 4/10/2015 3:40 AM (GMT -6)

That didnt work... i tried it lol.

Peter Thomsen
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Posted 4/10/2015 4:39 AM (GMT -6)

pianoguy36609 said...
That didnt work... i tried it lol.

I am not sure I understand.
Do you man that you tried to flip the grace note’s stem downward - and that the stem did not flip?

What I did, was this:

Selection Tool.
Double-click the grace note.
Finale switches to the Simple Entry Tool, with the grace note highlighted in purple.

If the wrong note gets highlighted, just move the highlighting left/right with the arrow-keys.

Hit the letter L key to flip the stem.
If the stem does not flip, try the letter L key again.

Peter

Mac Finale, 2011c, 2012c & 2014d, Dolet 6.4 plug-in, Mac OS X 10.9.5, iMac Intel Core i7, 2.93 GHz, 16 GB RAM

pianoguy36609
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Posted 4/10/2015 7:17 AM (GMT -6)

Oh i think im being vague. The JWValidate plugin is flagging this and all my grace notes as an error. I wanna know what im doing wrong, or if its just a bug... This is how it should be notated as far as i can tell.

Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
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Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 883

Posted 4/10/2015 10:49 AM (GMT -6)

pianoguy36609 said...
Oh i think im being vague. The JWValidate plugin is flagging this and all my grace notes as an error. I wanna know what im doing wrong, or if its just a bug... This is how it should be notated as far as i can tell.

That is strange.
Graces opposed in lower voices have downstems.

Jari has a contact link through his website.......www.finaletips.nu/probably get a more rapid responses there?
His "JW Validate" plugin has been in beta version for quite sometime now and bugs should be best reported there.

I can not say that I have ever had a misidentification of graces when using this plugin.

Have you tried a little experimentation with other documents that you have used graces?

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Post Edited (Ralph L. Bowers Jr.) : 4/10/2015 10:58:26 AM (GMT-5)

Motet
Isorhythmic

Date Joined Dec 2002
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Posted 4/10/2015 7:57 PM (GMT -6)

Perhaps it's the the non-grace-note F# with a downward stem that's causing it. Why is that stem down?

Finale 2011b, 2005, TGTools
Windows 7, MIDI input
Finale Transposition Chart

Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
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Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 883

Posted 4/10/2015 8:59 PM (GMT -6)

Motet said...
Perhaps it's the the non-grace-note F# with a downward stem that's causing it. Why is that stem down?

What would be nice is if he would be so kind as to run the plugin again and take a screenshot of the Plugins report window.

Post Edited (Ralph L. Bowers Jr.) : 4/10/2015 9:30:23 PM (GMT-5)

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Motet
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Posted 4/10/2015 10:56 PM (GMT -6)

The beginning of the measure is stems up, the F# stem down, so it was right to flag it.

Finale 2011b, 2005, TGTools
Windows 7, MIDI input
Finale Transposition Chart

Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
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Posted 4/10/2015 11:54 PM (GMT -6)

I still do not display the issue that pianoguy36609 said has manifested with his Finale Score.
Might be best if he attaches a musx. file that displays this issue for him?

Post Edited (Ralph L. Bowers Jr.) : 4/10/2015 11:59:20 PM (GMT-5)

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Motet
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Posted 4/11/2015 12:44 AM (GMT -6)

Different versions of the plug-in?

Finale 2011b, 2005, TGTools
Windows 7, MIDI input
Finale Transposition Chart

Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
Polymathist

Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 883

Posted 4/11/2015 1:06 AM (GMT -6)

Motet said...
Different versions of the plug-in?

Could be. I'm running under windows with the most current version of Jari's Plugin. We have no idea of system or version the poster is.

Post Edited (Ralph L. Bowers Jr.) : 4/11/2015 8:53:12 PM (GMT-5)

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Jim Williams
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Posted 7/17/2016 11:47 AM (GMT -6)

@Ken...
I'm having the same problems as you are with the plug-in.
It's still listed as Beta, so I guess it won't be fixed. ;-(
Even with those bugs, it's a HUGE HELP!!
Jim

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