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fcopaja
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  		   Posted 3/14/2006 5:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi, I found this as an interesting example for working with layers.
This PDF was taken out a finale 2004 file.
I'd like to know:
 
1) If the output follows correct notation
2) If voices are clearly identified
3) What would be your approach for entering this into Finale
4) Any other comment.

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  		   Posted 3/14/2006 5:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
fcopaja said...
Hi, I found this as an interesting example for working with layers.
This PDF was taken out a finale 2004 file.

I'd like to know:



1) If the output follows correct notation

2) If voices are clearly identified

3) What would be your approach for entering this into Finale

4) Any other comment.


well, it's a difficult one because it's a 5-part texture.
in the Kalmus/Bischoff edition, the subject in the bass is done with stems up, which is mildly clearer.
my only qualm with that edition is the following tenor entrance of the second fugal subject (measure 82): I'd have found it clearer had it been in the treble cleff.

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  		   Posted 3/14/2006 9:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It looks basically correct to me. In my beautifully-printed Henle edition the tenor Cowboy mentions is in the bass clef. There are a few differences having to do with stem direction and note placement where two voices are playing the same note, but basically it agrees with the example.

In Finale you'll need to use some combination of layers and voice 2 and fiddle with stem direction. I'd say read up on those things in the manual if you need to and then just start in and experiment.

(Finale 2005b on Windows XP)

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  		   Posted 3/15/2006 10:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It looks like a mess to me. Yes, you can eventually figure out what each voice is supposed to be, but what's wrong with using three staves? If I were *forced* to do this on two staves as in your example, I'd use Finale's layers, with up to three layers on one staff at a time. I have not found the "voice 2" technique particularly useful.

There are other "tricks" you can use if you don't care about playback. For example, a note can be plopped onto the staff as a score expression (this staff only) or as an articulation of another note.

Doug Blackmore
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  		   Posted 3/15/2006 12:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is perfectly clear use of 5 parts, and good engraving too.
I would set treble staff layers 1 and 2 for sop and alt voices
layers 1,2,3 for uper, lower tenor and bass voices.

i would then use cross staffing where necessary for the upper tenor line. This way in Finale you retain 5 voices throughout as in the music.

generally i avoid the use of Finale's "voice 1/voice 2". There are moments where it is useful, but since Finale introduced Layers, they are often (though definitely not always) the preferred method. My preferred method that is!

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  		   Posted 3/15/2006 5:24 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Three staves is not very pianist-friendly, Doug.

Cross staff for a middle voice is a good idea!

(Finale 2005b on Windows XP)

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