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Daniel Schell
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   Posted 3/15/2006 2:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi

Finale 2006c

And the last question

As we had recently big troubles with Finale files corrupted, we thought that the suspected causes would be:
- usage of repeated copiyng and saving from one file to another.
- usage of too large files, our files are about 500-700 k about 30-50 pages of score for 25 instruments
- some unknown technical hard (Hard-disk checking, virus scans), or soft-problem.(Windows...?

Is a a 500-700 k about 30-50 pages of score for 25 instruments a big file?
Are some of you just working a complete symphonie (the Turangalila symphonie :0) in just one file?

Thanks

Daniel


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   Posted 3/15/2006 3:11 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The biggest thing I've done is a 4 minute tune for an orchestra. about 20 or 30 pages unoptimized. It didn't seem large to me. "Large" probably depends on the speed of your computer. I'm using a 1GHz processor now with 2GB RAM and 60GB hard-drive. Very fast.


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   Posted 3/15/2006 3:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Daniel Schell said...
Hi

Finale 2006c

And the last question

As we had recently big troubles with Finale files corrupted, we thought that the suspected causes would be:
- usage of repeated copiyng and saving from one file to another.
- usage of too large files, our files are about 500-700 k about 30-50 pages of score for 25 instruments
- some unknown technical hard (Hard-disk checking, virus scans), or soft-problem.(Windows...?

Is a a 500-700 k about 30-50 pages of score for 25 instruments a big file?
Are some of you just working a complete symphonie (the Turangalila symphonie :0) in just one file?

Thanks

Daniel


I just finished 91 pages in one file, for piccolo, 2 flute staves, oboe, english horn, 2 clarinet staves, 2 bassoon staves, 7 horn staves, 3 trumpet staves, 3 trombone staves, tuba, 9 percussion staves, and 5 string staves.... (btw, each staff was an independant MIDI channel as well)
that's 30 minutes of music.
is that large enough?


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   Posted 3/15/2006 4:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've done as many as 1500 measures in one file. It generally works, but copying music does seem inordinately slow. A problem I've encountered is selecting a large amount of music (an entire staff or the entire piece) and then accidently dragging it with the mouse such that it launches into some sort of copy--perhaps it's creating new measures. The program then churns forever (or, at least to the limit of my patience), doesn't respond to ESC, and must be killed from Windows task manager.


(Finale 2005b on Windows XP)

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   Posted 3/15/2006 7:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
motet said...
I've done as many as 1500 measures in one file. It generally works, but copying music does seem inordinately slow. A problem I've encountered is selecting a large amount of music (an entire staff or the entire piece) and then accidently dragging it with the mouse such that it launches into some sort of copy--perhaps it's creating new measures. The program then churns forever (or, at least to the limit of my patience), doesn't respond to ESC, and must be killed from Windows task manager.


They worked on this in Finale 2006. Copy and paste is now much faster for me, but your mileage may vary.


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   Posted 3/15/2006 8:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

My largest file is the Rite of Spring, 1.3 Mb

No problems with it, was made in Finale 2002

 


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   Posted 3/16/2006 10:30 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The biggest File I've made was a 2 act opera, 444 pages on A4 with 46 staves in scroll view, optimised.
Corruptions seem to be random events. I think I must have had 4 or 5 in the 16 years I'vebeen using Finale.

The only answer is to back up regularly and keep at least 2 old versions. When I'm working consistently on one score I back uup 5 times a day and don'tt overright until the whole job is finished.
Once I have a finnished score I make a backup on another disk and a CD copy


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Daniel Schell
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   Posted 3/16/2006 4:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
motet said...
I've done as many as 1500 measures in one file. It generally works, but copying music does seem inordinately slow. A problem I've encountered is selecting a large amount of music (an entire staff or the entire piece) and then accidently dragging it with the mouse such that it launches into some sort of copy--perhaps it's creating new measures. The program then churns forever (or, at least to the limit of my patience), doesn't respond to ESC, and must be killed from Windows task manager.


Yes, I also suspect that the copying in Finale might be somehow the source of some problems. First it does not really work well as it does not copy expressions, trills and some other items. Plus, we only got those kind of big files corrupted.
But of course, that is no scientific evidence: Do 'music copiyng-pasting' files corrupt or do 'big' files corrupt????

Daniel


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   Posted 3/16/2006 4:13 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Peter West said...
The biggest File I've made was a 2 act opera, 444 pages on A4 with 46 staves in scroll view, optimised.
Corruptions seem to be random events. I think I must have had 4 or 5 in the 16 years I'vebeen using Finale.

The only answer is to back up regularly and keep at least 2 old versions. When I'm working consistently on one score I back uup 5 times a day and don'tt overright until the whole job is finished.
Once I have a finnished score I make a backup on another disk and a CD copy


Thanks Peter,

I think you are the wise man! We should keep very regular BU's on CD's AND KEEP the CD's, not throwing them after one year. Files are probably getting slowly corrupted if they stay the whole year round on our HD's, who knows?
During the day I BU on my key, and once a week (hopefully) on CD/DVD. but we work in network with 3 PC's.

What do you mean by:
"and don'tt overright until the whole job is finished."

You mean that you don't "overwrite"
We keep Paganini_101, Paganini_102, Paganini_103 and so on ...
That's what you mean.
And with the originals, we keep them on CD
Yes, perhaps repeatedly saving them brings corruption.

Best

Danile


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   Posted 3/16/2006 5:28 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think I win the prize for most paranoid of all; I keep a backup on both of the hard drives on my desktop at home, one on my laptop, and make two DVD backups monthly and store them at two different locations. When I'm working on my laptop away from home, I email a copy of the file to myself until I have time to make a proper backup. 


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   Posted 3/16/2006 5:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Uh-oh, is this going to be a "Mine's bigger than yours!" type of thread? :p

I recently finished my Master's thesis, but I'm not telling you how long it is. That's a personal question! ;-)

However, on the subject of backing up files, here's my method:

At the end of the day, I usually archive the file(s) on which I'm working in this manner: Using a compression tool called 7-zip, I create a 7z (or Zip) archive of the Finale files. I make sure to enable password protection and provide a strong password. Then I e-mail the archive to a dedicated e-mail account (Gmail is great for this - they currently offer 2.7 gigabytes of free storage). Since the archive is password protected, I don't really worry about anyone stealing my work. Since my backups are stored in e-mail, I don't have to worry about my computer crashing, and my files are available to me at any location where I have internet access.

If the worst were to happen (computer explodes, fire, etc.), I'll never lose more than one day of work.


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   Posted 3/17/2006 12:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Another idea for off-site backup of files is to use a service like Box.net. They offer a free gigabyte of space (10 megabyte filesize limit). They offer paid plans with more storage, but the free plan is more than sufficient for Finale files.

I've been keeping my password-protected archives in Gmail and in this remote storage site. All for free, and the piece of mind that even if Google goes down (unheard of), my files are still archived.

Just another option.


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   Posted 3/17/2006 5:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
David, what i meant by overwrite was: if you keep multiple copies of an ongoing project, you could end up with a huge number of files, effectively snapshots of work in progress as many as 4 or 5 times a day, and copies. Once the project is finnished, secure and backed up on CD/DVD, all of those copies are no longer needed, the disk space can be reused/ they can be trashed/you can overwrite them...different ways of saying the same thing.

Oh, one other thing, backing up to CD/DVD, don't ever assume that the CD.DVD is ok without checking at least some of the files before trashing the original disk copies!


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