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   Posted 7/17/2006 6:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have a file that was sent to my mail box as a pdf file, how do I convert that back into finale
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   Posted 7/17/2006 7:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There are several scanning programs out there, like Smart Score, which I paid 200 bucks for and never could make work,but you might investigate them, I gave up on it pretty quickly. Otherwise, unless somebody knows something I don't, you've just got to reenter it. But if the PDF was extracted from a Finale file, couldn't they just attach a .MUS file instead?


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   Posted 7/17/2006 7:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Simple answer: you can't. Sorry. You can try printing it and scanning it back in, but from what I've read on this site, scanning is pretty problematic, and most folks seem to say it's faster just to re-enter the notes.


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   Posted 7/17/2006 7:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
Simple answer: you can't. Sorry. You can try printing it and scanning it back in, but from what I've read on this site, scanning is pretty problematic, and most folks seem to say it's faster just to re-enter the notes.


That's right, so you have two choices:

1) Get the author to send you a .MUS, .MID or .XML version, or

2) Get out your MIDI keyboard, go into Speedy or Simple, and get typing... :-)

Brian


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   Posted 7/17/2006 9:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Depends on what you use to scan it in with. The included scanning program is very "lite" and doesn't work. I can only speak about the one that I have experience with (Sharpeye) and it is very good. But you have to spend more money to get this to work :o(

 

 


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   Posted 7/18/2006 1:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ebony Ivory said...
Mike Rosen said...
Simple answer: you can't. Sorry. You can try printing it and scanning it back in, but from what I've read on this site, scanning is pretty problematic, and most folks seem to say it's faster just to re-enter the notes.


That's right, so you have two choices:

1) Get the author to send you a .MUS, .MID or .XML version, or

2) Get out your MIDI keyboard, go into Speedy or Simple, and get typing... :-)

Brian

Actually, there is a third choice whereby you can get that PDF file into Finale. I have done it; however, success will depend on the quality of the pdf, just as it does on the quality of a scan.

You need a program that will let you "print" the PDF document as a TIFF file, which can then be imported into Finale just as if it were a scanned TIFF file. I used Microsoft Office Document Image Writer which shows as one of my printer options when I select the Print command. It came with MS Office or MS Publisher, don't remember which --- but I'm sure there are lots of free and inexpensive programs that will also do it.


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   Posted 7/18/2006 7:02 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
PDFCreator will also produce TIFF format files (also GIF, PNG, JPG, PCX, PS and EPS) and it's free.

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   Posted 7/18/2006 7:11 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Fritz & Dick - my point was addressing the comment:

Mike Rosen said...
but from what I've read on this site, scanning is pretty problematic, and most folks seem to say it's faster just to re-enter the notes.


with which I totally agree!

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   Posted 7/18/2006 8:31 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I, too, agree with that in most cases --- especially when the PDF is a result of scanning. However, if your original PDF comes from another program's notation (Sib, BIAB, Melody Asst, etc.) the PDF-Print to TIFF method can give you very good results.


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Dick Brodfuehrer said...
I, too, agree with that in most cases --- especially when the PDF is a result of scanning. However, if your original PDF comes from another program's notation (Sib, BIAB, Melody Asst, etc.) the PDF-Print to TIFF method can give you very good results.


Most of my scanning experiments have been made by "printing" Finale and Encore scores to PDF (via PDFWriter) or to Postscript, and then using PhotoShop to convert these into TIF format; I've also tried scanning real material. But in both cases, I'm still not thrilled with the results!

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   Posted 7/18/2006 12:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'd like to hear more from people who've had success with scanning. I have the full version of Smart Score, but I will admit, I gave up on it rather quickly, simply because it wasn't a priority. Still, I'd like to know how to do it. On another question; I'm attempting to teach myself Digital Performer and it's going poorly. Either I'm completely dense (which is certainly a reasonable likelihood) or their proprietary user's manual leaves out numerous steps. Does anyone know of some good step by step tutorials that would give me a rudimentary understanding of this program?


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   Posted 7/18/2006 1:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

The success you have with scanning depends on the quality of your scanning software, the print quality of the original source music, and your expertise with Finale. If you're fast with Finale and use it regularly, scanning may not be that much help. But it can be an enormous time-saver for those who are less frequent users of Finale, and who aren't as quick with it as full-time users.

All scanning software is not created equal. You may want to try out SharpEye Music Reader for free for 30 days to see if you get better results:

http://store.recordare.com/sharpeye2.html

This will work with either Finale or PrintMusic 2006. You save MusicXML files from SharpEye, then read them into Finale or PrintMusic. SharpEye does not handle PDFs directly, so you will need a graphics program to separate the PDF file into individual TIFF files for each page before doing the music scanning.


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