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Motet
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   Posted 11/12/2007 9:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I notate percussion on the bass clef, usually a middle D. I show which instrument it is at any given time with a measure expression: "Triangle," "Cymbals," etc.

I've never done percussion playback in Finale. I gather that one uses channel 10, where each pitch results in a different instrument. Is there a way to set playback for triangle, cymbals, etc., in the measure expression so that the D will play the correct instrument?


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   Posted 11/12/2007 9:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi

Just re-read you post.

Tricky...

Use a percussion map with different position settings for the two instruments for entering. Once the score has been totally entered and checked, edit the map to re-position the triangle and cymbal to the desired staff positions. This will automatically move the notes to the desired lines.

Cheers...


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   Posted 11/13/2007 12:13 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
...and with 2006 and later, you do not have to use channel 10 unless you want to conform to standard midi. Otherwise, you can use whatever channels for percussion that you like. Just as well, as I sometimes have 6 or 8 channels devoted to percussion.

To get all the instruments to play back correctly on D, you'd need a separate channel for each instrument so that you could use an expression to switch channels. I don't know how else you'd do it.

I find it easier just to use single-line staffs (sharing a channel), or map several instruments to different positions on a percussion staff.


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   Posted 11/13/2007 12:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just Ron said...
To get all the instruments to play back correctly on D, you'd need a separate channel for each instrument so that you could use an expression to switch channels. I don't know how else you'd do it.


The percussion map will look after that for you.
The only problem that I could foresee was actual note entry using simple and mouse I do.





Above are the settings (based on the "General Midi Entry and Playback" percussion Map). These work well, and will playback on the same staff.
As I say, using my method of entry, I first have the staff positions on different lines, then set them to what is shown when note entry is complete.

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Post Edited (Daz) : 11/12/2007 10:36:18 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 11/13/2007 1:05 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Further to the above, in editing/creating the score I would set the percussion map to have the open triangle as posted above, and the ride cymbal as below



Note entry would look something like this:



Once finished entering in the notes, I would re-set the ride to what I had posted previously (set the staff position to 6)

applying the updated perc map results in the following



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   Posted 11/13/2007 1:08 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you're interested (and have Finale/Notepad 2k8), attached is the .mus file for the above

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   Posted 11/13/2007 5:06 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Cool! I'll check it out. Thanks.


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   Posted 11/13/2007 2:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Daz,

What you proposed is what I meant by: map several instruments to different positions on a percussion staff. You explained it much better than I did.


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   Posted 11/13/2007 2:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You don't need to start with the notes on different places on the staff. It is better to start with the map set up already. If you are using a MIDI keyboard, then you've taken care of entry.

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   Posted 11/17/2007 9:31 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I would think the easiest way is to use a staff style. You can configure each instrument in it's own staff style to appear on the middle staff line in the percusison map.

Cheers,

Tim

 

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