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HDelahay
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   Posted 9/1/2008 9:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In writing hymns, many times the verses do not fall right on the downbeat, and require a pick-up measure. No problem. However, at the end of the verse, the final measure is truncated, to compliment the pick-up. For example, in "Away in a Manger", written in 3/4, the verse begins on beat 3 of the pick-up measure, but ends with a half-note on beats 1&2 of the final measure. (Beat 3 of the final measure becomes the pick-up measure for verse 2.) 
       3 | 1 & 2  &   3 |  1   2    3 |          |  1   2   3  | 1 2  |
 1.    A-| way   in   a | man-ger, no | .  .  .  |sleep on the | hay. |
 2.   The| cat - tle are| low-ing, the| .  .  .  |morn-ing  is | nigh.|
 
Using PrintMusic 2008, I can only come up with two equally cumbersome work-arounds.
First, I can finish the final measure with the note and lyric for the next verse and place a forward repeat at measure 1 (following the pick-up measure). This worked musically, but is confusing for the congregation. 
       3 ||: 1 & 2  &   3 |  1   2    3 |          |  1   2   3  | 1 2    3   :||
 1.    A-||: way   in   a | man-ger, no | .  .  .  |sleep on the | hay.(2.The :||
 2.      ||: cat - tle are| low-ing, the| .  .  .  |morn-ing  is | nigh.(3.Be :||
 
Second, I have tried to shorten the last measure by changing the time signature to 2/4, hoping to be able to hide the graphic (no such luck), plus, when the playback went back to the beginning, there were 2 beats of the pick-up measure before the second verse began. 
 
   (1  2)  3 | 1&2  &    3 |  1   2    3 |          |  1   2   3  |   1 2  |
 1.       A-| way  in   a | man-ger, no | .  .  .  |sleep on the  |24  hay. |
 2. -  - The| cat- tle are| low-ing, the| .  .  .  |morn-ing  is  |   nigh.|
 
 
Is there another/better way, or am stuck by the limitations of PrintMusic and my budget?
 
 
 
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   Posted 9/1/2008 11:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You're stuck. PM makes it necessary to use workarounds. In this case, I would do two editions: one for print, and one for playback.


Mike Rosen
 
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DB Long
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   Posted 9/2/2008 4:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Upgrade, feel your frustrations float away.  What you describe is easily accomplished in the full version.  =)

DB


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Fritz Meissner
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   Posted 9/2/2008 4:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Upgrade, feel your cash float away ........

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Dave BTW
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   Posted 9/2/2008 5:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well if you are getting something for your cash (new functionality that you need) how is it floating away?


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   Posted 9/2/2008 6:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In this case, Dave, you'd be out a lot more money, for a fairly minor fix. Which is not to say that it's not worth it, but it would depend on the individual. There are a couple of things that I wish PrintMusic would do, too, that don't have workarounds. But it still isn't important enough for me to go the extra hundreds of dollars.


Mike Rosen
 
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PrintMusic 2008 on the PC: Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
 
Favorite reference: Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, Gerou & Lusk, 1996
 
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Dave BTW
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   Posted 9/3/2008 10:47 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Let me just say, that I have NEVER regretted the purchase of the full version of Finale. It was a sacrifice for sure in cash, and there are many Finale features that I don't use (and may never use given the amateur status of my musical ambitions). But when I want to do something, just like the above question, then I can. I do not consider this a waste of money in any account. My time messing with things is worth something as well.

When I first evaluated my choice for notation, it was a long time ago. I tried the three front runners at the the time, Music Printer Plus, Encore, and Finale 2.2. I had to save up extra to get Finale. But being a computer power user, I felt so restricted by the other choices. Much like many complain about Sibelius now.

So I do not see it as a waste of money, or not getting what you pay for at all. Sorry Mike that you seem to think it not worth the upgrade cost. I still do not see it as money floating away, because you DO get what you pay for.


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Ron.
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   Posted 9/3/2008 11:11 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree full-heartedly, Dave. If one wanted to do carpentry work, for example, would he use what-ever tools happened to be lying around, or would he spend a few dollars on the tools the he needed to do the job properly?

I thought the "education" discount applied to people associated with the church as well. I could be wrong on that, but it sticks in my memory. (I'm guessing that this might apply to our poster.)


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Mike Rosen
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   Posted 9/3/2008 11:52 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dave and Ron,
You're both correct, and maybe someday I'll take the big step! But for now, I make do with what I can afford.


Mike Rosen
 
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Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
 
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"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."

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   Posted 9/3/2008 11:58 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ron,
You're right, there is a theological discount for those meeting the following qualifications:

Religious Institution, Music Minister or Music Ministry Representative

Nonprofit with a separate house of worship or currently employed by a religious institution.

Proof of nonprofit status and tax-exempt number and a letter on official letterhead defining the buyer as the religious institution's official representative.


So even those are pretty restrictive. Even though I do lots of notation for my synagogue choir, I wouldn't meet these specs.


Mike Rosen
 
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PrintMusic 2008 on the PC: Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
 
Favorite reference: Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, Gerou & Lusk, 1996
 
"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."

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Dave BTW
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   Posted 9/3/2008 12:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike, I also do a lot of music for my local and regional congregations, but alas... I am not a paid music minister, so I pay the full amount as well.


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   Posted 9/3/2008 2:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You might check out Allegro. It can do what you want.


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Mike Rosen
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   Posted 9/3/2008 4:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I know, Jeannie. I'm waiting for 2009, since I've gotten so fond of the new selection tool in PM2008.


Mike Rosen
 
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PrintMusic 2008 on the PC: Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
 
Favorite reference: Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, Gerou & Lusk, 1996
 
"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."

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