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Bumble Bee
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Date Joined Nov 2008
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Posted 11/14/2008 2:13 PM (GMT -5)

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum but have had my Finale Songwriter 2007 for a while and did have a Finale Songwriter years ago. I am working on a project but I need to continue a crescendo to the next measure...only one problem - this next measure is on the next page. How do I continue the crescendo.

I have Songwriter 2007 but I guess it should work the same with all the other programs in the same way so and tips even if i a different program may help resolve this problem.

All help and advise will be greatly appreciated.

Bumble Bee

Flint
silly bear

Date Joined Oct 2006
Total Posts : 3151

Posted 11/14/2008 2:37 PM (GMT -5)

work in Scroll View, not Page View. (if that's possible with Songwriter)

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Bumble Bee
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Date Joined Nov 2008
Total Posts : 6

Posted 11/14/2008 2:56 PM (GMT -5)

Hi Flint,

Many thanks for the advice. I have had a quick look and cannot find a scroll view which is a shame...its a good idea. Find myself limited with Songwriter sometimes.

I have just been playing around with it...and finally found a way (not a very good way)

For anyone else out there who has the same problem, the way I just did it is by having to delete some notes (always remember/take a note of which notes you have just deleted as you will need to put them back) and the measure you want to continue too should finally come on that page you want to carry over too, when you have done that, drag the crescendo over to that measure (that has just appeared from the page you was trying to pass over too) and then input the notes back into the measure you just deleted them from. The measure will become longer causing the measure with the end of the cresendo to carry over and you should now have the end of the crescendo on that page and the start of the crescendo shall now be on the previous page.

I hope that makes sense!

Motet
Isorhythmic

Date Joined Dec 2002
Total Posts : 12849

Posted 11/14/2008 3:11 PM (GMT -5)

Does Songwriter have manual page breaks? Inserting one of those, adding the hairpin, then removing the page break seems easier than deleting notes.

(Finale 2005b on Windows XP)

Bumble Bee
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Date Joined Nov 2008
Total Posts : 6

Posted 11/14/2008 3:35 PM (GMT -5)

Hi Motet,

Just checked. It doesn't. Come to think of it...songwriter is rubbish if you really are trying to write song! I have made some songs and when I have made it into mp3 format and my mates go to play it on an Ipod, they have said they have to turn it up A LOT to hear it better (even when compressed, it was made to full volume 127 - the maximum on some staff's!) and once the song finished, another song preexsiting on the ipod comes on it scares the crap out of them as its then soo loud (and me when I listen to it). Is that a problem with all the other programs? (should be another topic really)

Motet
Isorhythmic

Date Joined Dec 2002
Total Posts : 12849

Posted 11/14/2008 6:21 PM (GMT -5)

Never made an MP3 with Finale. I think you can have iTunes normalize the volume when it loads it onto the iPod.

(Finale 2005b on Windows XP)

Dr. Wiggy
Early music: modern methods

Date Joined Jun 2006
Total Posts : 12628

Posted 11/15/2008 7:11 AM (GMT -5)

Two thoughts:
Generally, you should avoid displaying a hairpin over a page or system break. If you can't adjust the measures to accommodate the hairpin, then you should consider using an alternate notation, like "cresc.", possibly with a dotted line showing the duration.

Secondly, SongWriter is (I imagine) primarily for music notation. If you want to produce audio, then you're better off using Cubase or another sequencer. You can always export MIDI from SongWriter

As you go up the product range to Finale, the playback and audio features get better, but if you're primarily interested in producing a .mp3, I'd suggest you use Cubase, etc.

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Fritz Meissner
Choir Addict

Date Joined Jul 2004
Total Posts : 3238

Posted 11/15/2008 8:06 AM (GMT -5)

For producing MP3's, I prefer to save as WAV from PrintMusic (or whatever you are using), then open that in Audacity, normalise it (so that all my recordings will have similar level) and then save as MP3 from Audacity. Audacity lets you select the quality level etc. which you can't do in PM (or Finale AFAIK). Since Audacity is free, this isn't costing you anything, and it gives you total control over the process.

Fritz

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Fritz Meissner
Choir Addict

Date Joined Jul 2004
Total Posts : 3238

Posted 11/15/2008 8:22 AM (GMT -5)

Flint said...
For anyone else out there who has the same problem, the way I just did it is by having to delete some notes (always remember/take a note of which notes you have just deleted as you will need to put them back) and the measure you want to continue too should finally come on that page you want to carry over too, when you have done that, drag the crescendo over to that measure (that has just appeared from the page you was trying to pass over too) and then input the notes back into the measure you just deleted them from. The measure will become longer causing the measure with the end of the cresendo to carry over and you should now have the end of the crescendo on that page and the start of the crescendo shall now be on the previous page.

An easier way (which I think you can probably do in SW) would be to use the mass edit tool. Select the measure/s which have carried over to the next page and press ctrl up-arrow. This will move them up to the previous system and lock the system so that the measures can't move down again. Then you can put in your crescendo. If the system is not too crowded, then you can leave the measures locked there so that your crescendo doesn't extend across a page break, or you can delete the system lock to allow the measures to re-arrange themselves (or you could use mass edit again to move the measures down).

Fritz

PrintMusic 2004, 2006 and 2007, Windows XP Pro, Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS, P4 2.6 GHz + 1 GB
2nd Tenor Cape Town Male Voice Choir
Use the Finale Knowledgebase first !

Bumble Bee
Registered Member

Date Joined Nov 2008
Total Posts : 6

Posted 11/17/2008 1:50 PM (GMT -5)

Thank you to everyone for the advice. I will certainly give everything a go (at work at the moment).

I have tried Cubase but didn't found a few bugs with it with a lot of intsruments not working and took a lot of memory up on the computer so had to remove it as it slowed it right down. Even once uninstalled it still left somethings on which I had to manually delete (sometimes like finding a neddle in a hay stack). I will give Audacity a try.

Many thanks

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