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Jeremy Levy
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   Posted 5/28/2009 8:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You know it's not like you have to uninstall Finale to install Sibelius on your computer. I've been using both programs heavily for a few years now. If Finale is dropping the ball on features you want, than let your money do the talking and the free market will take care of the rest.


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   Posted 5/28/2009 9:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
True (weren't we just chatting in the Mac world?) - and actually, I'm just waiting for the opprtunity to get Sibelius at a decent "crossgrade" price. I actually paid for and ordered this program over a year ago from a US distributor, to save the extortionate UK price premium, but after initially cashing my credit card, the dealer refunded the money and told me he was not allowed to export this version.
 
Since then, I've been too busy writing and performing to want to fuss about learning new software! :-)
 
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   Posted 5/28/2009 9:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah, we do get quite the deal over here. I actually got Sibelius 4 right as 5 was coming out. Got a free upgrade and the ability to work in version 4 if a client needed it. Think the crossgrade cost me maybe $200. West L.A. music hooked me up as they always do.


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   Posted 5/29/2009 2:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well the Percussion "simplification" is indeed LONG overdue. But many of the other new features are certainly nice, and I look forward to using them. I've pre-oredered my upgrade already. Besides wanting to stay "current", since I use Finale (2009) daily for at least two hours, I look forward to benefiting from the increased productivity and user conveniences. The upgrade costs will make my budget rather "tight" next month, but not unbearable -- I live mostly on rice and oatmeal as it is (no kidding) and occacional delivery pizzas (check out the Domino's Pizza "American Legend Pacific Veggie Pizza - my current favorite). But to paraphrase, "if it weren't for credit card debts I wouldn't have any debts at all"!


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   Posted 5/29/2009 10:37 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jeremy Levy said...
Yeah, we do get quite the deal over here. I actually got Sibelius 4 right as 5 was coming out. Got a free upgrade and the ability to work in version 4 if a client needed it. Think the crossgrade cost me maybe $200. West L.A. music hooked me up as they always do.

Last year, they had a $99 cross-grade for about a month.  You would only see that by visiting their site.   Though, I had already bought the $199 one somewhat earlier.
 
I'm not buying anymore upgrades of either program until I can BUY/DOWNLOAD it.  I'm tired of rerouting to my work, shipping fees, brokerage fees...  does the word "recession" mean anything to these companies?  ;-)
 
 


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   Posted 5/29/2009 12:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
New in Finale 2010
Control the alignment, positioning, and font of your measure numbers separately for your score and linked parts.

This will be a worthwhile upgrade. What about text blocks? Having to save two different versions of the score just to link all the parts defeats the purpose of linked parts (this was suggested here on these forums). Sibelius actually has this right. The text block (title, composer, part name, copyright, and other text blocks) should allow full control. I have to create an 11x17 score to get the sizing right.


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   Posted 5/29/2009 3:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
>Mike Rosen/Speedy

In Speedy's normal mode, you set the pitch and then enter mixed rhythms with single keystrokes. With CapsLock on, you instead set the rhythm (duration) and then enter a string of notes at that duration. The latter is similar to Simple, but Simple lacks the former.

Both modes have their uses depending on what you're entering. Without the former in Simple, it's cumbersome to enter a complex percussion part all on the same pitch, for example. If MM could find a way to add that to Simple, I would consider switching, since Simple does a few things better, such as tuplets.


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   Posted 5/30/2009 2:24 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've never understood why you'd want to simulate hand-written music with a faux font.


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   Posted 5/30/2009 9:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wonder if the new Broadway font will randomly put in wrong notes, wrong key signatures, etc., to be truly the golden era of handwritten scores?

Remember that you had to erase all your markings before returning your Tams or French scores? I always felt I should CHARGE them for correcting their mistakes LOL!


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   Posted 5/30/2009 11:19 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I will probably stupidly buy the "upgrade" as I have done every year to basically provide filler on my shelf to help prop up the few books that are there. I am still productively using 2005, but I feel the urge to 1) keep MM afloat (whatever that means) and 2) have the "upgrade" in case there comes that big commission that might require having the most recent version. I would not ever object to dabbling in the newer versions, but I have oodles of serious copy work on a daily basis, and frankly, I don't have time to lose time unnecessarily.

Anyway, soon my credit card, I'm sure, will be pulled out, dusted off, and used again.

Oh well.

Zuill


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   Posted 5/30/2009 2:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Regarding Speedy note entry.. it is the most convenient and, well, speedy way to enter music bar none I've come across in any program..   if for some misguided reason this disappeared... I'd be going back to pen and paper.. as at that point, that would be the speediest and most convenient method.

As for the new features.. a little slim this time round, but I think the VST effects hosting is a nice touch.  Makes the working process a little more pleasant to listen too.

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   Posted 5/30/2009 3:02 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
SPEEDY IS NOT GOING AWAY. What is the MATTER with you people?

Sorry, this absurd, misguided rumor is getting completely out of hand. One person misinterpreted the lack of a specific term, and the thing has achieved urban legend status. MM knows that a huge part of their user base is quite happily stuck in Speedy. They are not going to jeopardize that. At least, not unless they are a lot blinder than I give them credit for.



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   Posted 5/30/2009 4:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
I'm glad to see engraver slurs improved.

Amen!!  I'm getting tired of my music staring back at me with "raised eyebrows"!
 
randy


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   Posted 5/30/2009 4:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
rbratton said...
Motet said...
I'm glad to see engraver slurs improved.

Amen!!  I'm getting tired of my music staring back at me with "raised eyebrows"!
 
randy

Hey, wasn't that what inspired Henry Mancini to write the "Pink Panther"?
 
Yeah, I know that was cyan - why can't this forum's colour choices include "pink"?! 8-0
 
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   Posted 5/30/2009 5:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Saffron said...
rbratton said...
Motet said...
I'm glad to see engraver slurs improved.

Amen!!  I'm getting tired of my music staring back at me with "raised eyebrows"!
 
randy

Hey, wasn't that what inspired Henry Mancini to write the "Pink Panther"?
 
Yeah, I know that was cyan - why can't this forum's colour choices include "pink"?! 8-0
 
Brian
LOL!!!!


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   Posted 5/30/2009 6:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
johnmouse said...
I wonder if the new Broadway font will randomly put in wrong notes, wrong key signatures, etc., to be truly the golden era of handwritten scores?

Remember that you had to erase all your markings before returning your Tams or French scores? I always felt I should CHARGE them for correcting their mistakes LOL!

Remember when you had to erase all the markings made by the person who had your part before you got it?  Yes, I believe that there are only a few of us that actually erase our markings before returning our scores.
idea I wish there was a website where we could post corrections/errata to Broadway scores so we could fix most of the mistakes before that first rehearsal.
 
Boy--this is getting off topic.

 

 


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   Posted 5/30/2009 6:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
While my first post on this topic was a wish for a bug fix, I am looking forward to using some new 2010 features:
  • New percussion entry features/MIDI maps.  While I can get around in percussion MIDI maps fairly well, any improvement in this area is welcome!
  • Broadway font
  • Chord entry w/o requiring "host" notes.  I frequently want to write rhythm parts as just chords over staff slashes knowing the musicians I work with can create a much better part than I can notate.
  • Automatic rehearsal marks

Plus the improved expression handles in 2009 that I really didn't have the opportunity to use.

randy


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   Posted 5/31/2009 6:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My order has been placed. I just hope I don't have to go through the nightmare of re-registering my Garritan libraries at Native Instruments again.


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   Posted 6/1/2009 12:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
rbratton said...
johnmouse said...
I wonder if the new Broadway font will randomly put in wrong notes, wrong key signatures, etc., to be truly the golden era of handwritten scores?

Remember that you had to erase all your markings before returning your Tams or French scores? I always felt I should CHARGE them for correcting their mistakes LOL!

Remember when you had to erase all the markings made by the person who had your part before you got it?  Yes, I believe that there are only a few of us that actually erase our markings before returning our scores.
"What is that note? It could be a B-natural... or a C-natural... or possibly a D-natural."
 
*tries each note in 3 separate run-throughs*
 
"Oh, it's a D-flat." *eyeroll*
 
*******
 
On-topic: Well, I'll be checking it out next month... *chuckle* my available free cash is going towards my cruise, TYVM. :)


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   Posted 6/1/2009 1:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Finale 2010! I am interested in demoing some of new features that the new version has to offer. Hopefully, the demo version will be available soon:-)


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   Posted 6/1/2009 11:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
If business doesn't improve, it's back to NotePad and Top Ramin!


If you were here on the east coast, I would have a nice built in bookshelf job for you. Although with the prices guys charge around here, I may try to do it myself, in which case I'll be looking for a woodworking forum for advice.

How's that for off topic.


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   Posted 6/2/2009 10:02 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ron Wasserman said...
Mike Rosen said...
If business doesn't improve, it's back to NotePad and Top Ramin!


If you were here on the east coast, I would have a nice built in bookshelf job for you. Although with the prices guys charge around here, I may try to do it myself, in which case I'll be looking for a woodworking forum for advice.

How's that for off topic.


Feel free to ask for help!



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   Posted 6/2/2009 9:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
Ron Wasserman said...
Mike Rosen said...
If business doesn't improve, it's back to NotePad and Top Ramin!


If you were here on the east coast, I would have a nice built in bookshelf job for you. Although with the prices guys charge around here, I may try to do it myself, in which case I'll be looking for a woodworking forum for advice.

How's that for off topic.


Feel free to ask for help!

 
I built a couple of built-in bookshelves last summer turning my living room into a library.  It wasn't nearly as hard as I thought it would be, and lots of fun.  It was a nice diversion from 'working'.
 
The announcement seems really early this year.  I'm looking forward to a few of these new features this time such as the percussion and rehearsal marks enhancements.  They seem like they'll be big time savers for me.  I wonder when it'll be shipping.
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   Posted 6/3/2009 12:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I see that my credit card has already been charged. Are they shipping already?
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Mine too. Guess they must be. Sweet!
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