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Flint
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   Posted 12/30/2009 6:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all,
 
Any thoughts as to the most effective way to notate a passage incorporating ricochet bowing?
 
My first instinct is to create a custom line of zero width, with the text ric., ricochet, or jeté, and connect the first and last notes of the figure with a slur.
Or, should I include a closing bracket for clarity (custom line or dashed line with normal width and an ending bracket, with the text left-aligned)?
 
Thanks for any input,
-Flint.


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If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read

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   Posted 12/30/2009 10:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
from Piston "Orchestration": "...the indication being dots under a slur, sometimes with the word saltando, or saltato, to make sure of the bouncing effect"

after discussing this with my violin teacher, I have found that quite often there is little indication other than the staccato dots and slur to indicate this effect. Violinists are simply used to the tempo and style of the music dictating the effect (which is not necessarily convincingly achievable in all tempos).


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   Posted 12/31/2009 12:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here's the passage in question:

(before anyone asks, my cello teacher has no issue playing it...) smilewinkgrin


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If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read


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   Posted 12/31/2009 3:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Flint,
I can't see any problem with the way your example has it indicated, but Michel's answer (a slur over staccato) is the more technically correct answer. As long as the intention is clear and string players understand what you mean, then there's no problem.


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   Posted 2/10/2015 12:22 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What Michael said is correct... Reference... The Holy Bible of Orchestration according to Samuel Adler lol
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   Posted 2/10/2015 12:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
bassoongoddess7 said...
What Michael said is correct... Reference... The Holy Bible of Orchestration according to Samuel Adler lol


please avoid necro-posting.

you just responded to a post that is over 5 years old.


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