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   Posted 1/3/2010 10:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm a music teacher and would like to use Finale to create a "one-sheeter", a single page document with multiple, short songs on it. This would be for beginning recorder students and also for general music students who are learning to sight-sing notes. For example, I'd like to put "Hot Cross Buns," "Merrily We Roll Along," "Pierrot," etc. one one page. These songs are each like 4 measures each (or a little longer). I don't want to have to print each short song on one page.

Can this be done?
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   Posted 1/3/2010 11:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Welcome to the forum.

Take a look at my tips page, at www.specialmillwork.com/finaletips.htm. There are two articles on putting multiple songs on one page, one for Finale, and one for PrintMusic.

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   Posted 1/4/2010 1:10 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

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   Posted 1/5/2010 2:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike, I was going to start a very similar thread. Your article only mentioned short songs. I have a longer work (symphony #1) that has 1 page and 3 lines in the first movement. I want to have the second movement on the same page, so as not to waste a bunch of paper (this is parts that are 1 page, not the whole score. Will it look weird to do what your article mentioned with combined parts (movement 1 part, joined with #2 part merged from separate files?



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   Posted 1/5/2010 10:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't think so. But let's see what the pros think!



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   Posted 1/5/2010 1:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't think it would look weird. I frequently work with a single file, then break it up into separate files later; or, sometimes I work the other way round. All you have to be careful of when combining documents is the spacing and text between the two movements (usually best to start on a new page as well). You might want to change measure numbering so that each movement is a separate numbering zone.


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   Posted 1/5/2010 2:23 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Unfortunately, Matt has PrintMusic, which doesn't allow changing the number regions. That's the best argument for not combining the scores. Thanks, Ron.



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   Posted 1/5/2010 5:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would say the most important thing, much more than saving paper, is that the musician can read and play the music easily, with nicely-spaced systems and page turns carefully positioned so as to give adequate time and without nasty surprises. Starting the 2nd Movt lower on the first page might be the best way to achieve this.

In older versions I always made separate files and printed them separately on the same page, setting the top margins accordingly and feeding the paper back into the printer. It's a close call whether this is more difficult than using one file.


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   Posted 1/5/2010 5:59 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
PeterQD said...


In older versions I always made separate files and printed them separately on the same page, setting the top margins accordingly and feeding the paper back into the printer. It's a close call whether this is more difficult than using one file.


That might be Matt's best option, in this case. I guess it would depend on how many copies he printed.



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   Posted 1/7/2010 4:02 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike has giben a very nice site. thanks a lot sir :)
really useful info and i really needed that


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   Posted 1/7/2010 4:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
PeterQD said...


In older versions I always made separate files and printed them separately on the same page, setting the top margins accordingly and feeding the paper back into the printer. It's a close call whether this is more difficult than using one file.


That might be Matt's best option, in this case. I guess it would depend on how many copies he printed.

I would think, rather than doing all that manual work to reprint pages, go ahead and either combine files or just notate the separate songs into one file without measure numbers and, if measure numbers are needed, put them in manually using text boxes or expressions (I prefer the latter).


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   Posted 1/8/2010 9:17 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I had also considered printing them out, then cutting the beginning of the second mvt out and pasting it to the 2nd page of the first mvt (where I only have 2 or 3 lines). Then photocopying it. I know this method seems to be the biggest waster of paper, but I have found that other documents look best this way. I just think it looks wierd having a symphony part bound with 1/2 a page left blank.



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   Posted 1/9/2010 9:44 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Timekeeper said...
I had also considered printing them out, then cutting the beginning of the second mvt out and pasting it to the 2nd page of the first mvt (where I only have 2 or 3 lines). Then photocopying it. I know this method seems to be the biggest waster of paper, but I have found that other documents look best this way. I just think it looks wierd having a symphony part bound with 1/2 a page left blank.

Timekeeper, I used to do things like what you are talking about but found using the computer not only was easier, but also gave you an easily stored and transmittable digital copy. Printing from a file is superior to making copies from a master copy and files are easier and safer to store than master copies.
 
While most Finale programs will create TIFF files, I prefer to use a virtual printer to create JPEGs. I use a commercial program that I bought long before I learned about the free PDFCreator (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/files/PDFCreator/PDFCreator%200.9.5/) which can create graphic files as well as PDFs. Use whatever method you prefer to convert your .mus files to a graphic file. Paste the files into a Word document. You can add text, other graphics, etc., if you wish. I also found it a good idea to increase the contrast and redarken any line graphics (such as converted .mus files) imported into Word to avoid strange things happening later when printed.
 
While you can print from the Word file, it is better to "stabilize" it by converting it to a PDF (you also avoid compatibility problems with other computers and versions of Word). Word 2007 supposedly will create PDFs directly (I downloaded the necessary file but never had any luck getting it to work) but one can also use PDFCreator to make the PDF. PDFs are better for farming out print jobs. One can carry the files to the print shop or copy center on a CD or a USB flash drive or even emailed in advance. It's a lot cheaper overall to send a file over long distance for printing at the destination than it is to ship a large volume of printed (or copied) documents.


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   Posted 1/13/2010 12:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I ended up changing the number of systems on a page to be even using the >page layout >space systems evenly function.
Each page now has 8 systems, rather than page 1 having 12 systems and page 2 having 4 systems. I thought it would look strange, but it is actually much easier to read than the first options were.


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