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   Posted 10/29/2010 11:06 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How do I reproduce the double alla-breve signs as in the attached Schubert Sonata. I know what the speed should be - but why the two signs?  I have not come across this before. Ken


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   Posted 10/29/2010 11:11 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That's an interesting way of saying 4/2...


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   Posted 10/29/2010 2:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Why two alla breve signs" should be obvious. You can replicate by adding extra space and using an expression. It would be easier to just write 4/2, if that's an option.


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   Posted 10/30/2010 12:20 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would assume that since the half note gets a beat, in a double alla breve situation, the pulse which is put into the playing would be equal for the first and second beat. If written in 4/2 there would be a stronger pulse on the first beat than on the second beat.


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   Posted 10/30/2010 1:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My personal opinion is that double cut time is just an old-fashioned synonym for 4/2. The example posted seems to bear that out.

Saying that a time signature implies emphasis on this or that beat is maybe a good rule of thumb to tell beginning music students, but in reality there are no such rules. One need only glance at a volume of Beethoven or Mozart to see that time signatures vary all over the place.


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   Posted 10/30/2010 2:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
One often sees 4/2 signified with just 1 Cut C.

There was a thread awhile ago about the original of the phrase, and the reason that "alla breve" is actually "alla minim".


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   Posted 10/31/2010 12:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
"Why two alla breve signs" should be obvious.

Not to me.  That is why I asked. Ken


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