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   Posted 9/16/2011 9:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've noticed that when I export my Marching Percussion files to MP3, the tonal bass part is either REAL quiet, or non-existant. How do I address this? I've tried to adjust the levels in the MIDI mixer, and in instrument setup, but still get the same thing. I'm using Finale PrintMusic 2011.

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   Posted 9/16/2011 10:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can adjust the volume in the Instrument List. Either increase the bass volume, or decrease evetything else.


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   Posted 9/17/2011 1:29 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If it plays fine live in Finale, but renders to mp3 improperly, there is a workaround.

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   Posted 9/17/2011 9:47 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ive adjusted in Finale, already. It plays fine there. What is the work around?
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   Posted 9/17/2011 12:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you are exporting directly to mp3 then you cannot get the marching percussion. Try exporting to .wav and then convert that file to an .mp3.


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   Posted 9/17/2011 11:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tried that. The Bass Drum Line sound faint and muffled, even in wav format.
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   Posted 9/17/2011 11:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Can you post the file so we can see what's going on instead of guessing? Thanks.


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   Posted 9/17/2011 11:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is the finale file in question. It's not just with this one but pretty much all of the ones I create.

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   Posted 9/17/2011 11:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So far, my results confirm that rendering to mp3 does diminish the volume of the Bass Drum staves. When I turn off HP, then the balance is as in Finale. I even tried changing to Marching Band HP, and it behaved as the Standard.

Zuill

P.S.: Even when I do a custom HP setup with everything off, it still diminishes the Bass Drum staves. Turn off HP, and they are fine.

Workaround: play the file in real time into an Audio recorder (like Audacity). Since it plays correctly in Finale, this will give you exactly what you are hearing in Fin ale.


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   Posted 9/18/2011 12:31 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've tried over 15 mutations of settings. Bottom line: HP doesn't like Bass Drum. I even tried applying HP manually to different staves. It consistently diminishes the Bass Drum part, even in a fresh file.

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   Posted 9/18/2011 9:19 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ok, for a Finale "N00b", what is HP?
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   Posted 9/18/2011 9:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Never mind, HP, is Human Playback. However, if I turn it off, there goes any "diddle" or articulation and dynamic I put into the file.
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   Posted 9/18/2011 9:48 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
@Zuilli,

This should be reported as a BUG, and be fixed. I work/volenteer for my local HS as a Percussion Instructor, and write cadences, warm-up, and modify parts using this tool, and if I can't easily export the file to MP3 to provide to our other Battery Instructors (who don't have Finale)....well lets just leave it at that.
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   Posted 9/18/2011 10:16 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As a workaround, you could play the piece back live in Finale and capture it as an mp3 in a program like Audacity.


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   Posted 9/18/2011 12:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wierd thing, playback through VST works finefor exporting to WAV. It seems to be with the MIDI.
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   Posted 9/18/2011 12:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
captkras said...
Wierd thing, playback through VST works finefor exporting to WAV. It seems to be with the MIDI.


Exactly my experience, which is why I suggested you save to .wav first, then covert the .wav to .mp3.

BTW, I ALWAYS use HP and the Garritan bass drum BOOMS. I have to turn it down.


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   Posted 9/18/2011 12:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Does Garritan come with PrintMusic? Or is that separate?

I did try to save as a Wave, but I was still on MIDI. I submitted a BUG/Trouble Ticket, as you should be able to export it no matter if you are on VST or MIDI
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   Posted 9/18/2011 1:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Garritan only comes bundled with the full Finale.

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   Posted 9/18/2011 1:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
captkras said...
I'm using Finale Music 2011.


No wonder our responses have been so confused. Finale (which you appear not to have) and Print Music (which you appear to be using) are two different things, as are SoftSynths (what you are probably using) and Garritan (which you don't have).


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   Posted 9/18/2011 1:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah, I thought I put PrintMusic, but only put Music. I'll edit the original post as to hopefully avoid the confusion. Although the problem still remains.
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   Posted 9/18/2011 2:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
HP is Human playback. I suggested that you could still use Human Playback and record in real time to Audacity. Arthur suggested that as well (I don't know if he saw my earlier post).

Try turning Human Playback (HP) to off and see what happens.

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   Posted 9/18/2011 3:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When I turn HP off, I don't get the articulation. Not sure how to hook audacity into PrintMusic though. Is there a faq for this?
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   Posted 9/18/2011 4:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Audacity runs separately from PrintMusic and the trick is to set its input to be the output of your sound card. In Audacity when you set the input for recording, it will give you a list of things to choose from - the names differ between different makes of sound card, but with Creative Cards you want "What u hear", with many on-board sound chips its called "stereo mix". The easiest way to find it is to start PM playing back, then go into Audacity and try different recording inputs until the meters start to move.

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   Posted 9/18/2011 5:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
Arthur suggested that as well (I don't know if he saw my earlier post).

Oops. Sorry--I didn't see it.

I routinely record via live playback and Audacity because I often notice differences between live playback and exporting to audio.


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   Posted 9/19/2011 12:52 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bottom line. You don't need Garritan. Printmusic can do what you want. I tested it in Finale, but should work as well in PrintMusic.

Instead of choosing MIDI for playback, choose VST. Then, in the VST window, choose the Softsynth for each of the first five banks. Then save to wav file (mp3 is not an option).

This will fix the problem.

Why VST gives the full volumes when MIDI does not is a mystery to me. However, wav renders in less than a second, wheras doing it in Audacity takes the full length of the piece. This can be time consuming in longer works.

If you still need an mp3, then use Audacity (or a similar program) to open the wav and then resave as mp3.

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