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   Posted 1/9/2012 9:43 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I am using finale 2011 with kontakt 4, I've loaded some instruments, but I have a big 32nd note run in the WW's, and when I placed the last set of 32nd's, I got a debug runtime error... My best guess is that it has something to do with memory, and I am running on a 32 bit system, Is there a way I can use these instruments and have a big piece of music on my 32 bit system without the constant crashing?
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   Posted 1/9/2012 9:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Do you have enough RAM?



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   Posted 1/9/2012 10:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
how can I tell?
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   Posted 1/9/2012 10:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ThisTrombonePlayer said...
how can I tell?

In Windows 7, Control Panel > System.


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   Posted 1/9/2012 10:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
2.00 GB of RAM
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   Posted 1/9/2012 11:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That's not enough. That's the bare minimum to run the program. With all the sounds you're using, I'd think AT LEAST 4GB. And more won't hurt, if your computer will take it.



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   Posted 1/10/2012 12:00 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
He won't even get the total use of 4GB, most likely something in the 3 to 3.5GB range with 32 bit Windows, so adding more than that without changing to 64 bit Windows won't help.


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   Posted 1/10/2012 6:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
any way i can increase my RAM without spending money??
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   Posted 1/10/2012 7:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Take up a life of crime?


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   Posted 1/10/2012 8:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ahh... so I see, okay well how much would it cost to get about 5 gb of ram added, I tried to use different external hard drives, and blank USB drives, but it just didn't provide enough RAM to fix my problem... sigh... if only my 64 bit system worked
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   Posted 1/10/2012 8:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
RAM is pretty inexpensive these days. And as Zoots pointed out, you can really only use 2 more gigs with 32 bit Finale. Take a look at www.crucial.com/index.aspx. They are great to deal with, and have high-quality goods.



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   Posted 1/11/2012 9:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If it's crashing while you are entering notation, it may not have anything to do with RAM. There could be some kind of file corruption. Can you create a new file using the wizard and then paste the old notation into it?

BTW, I used to run Finale with Kontakt2 on a machine with 1GB of RAM. It was slow, but I never got a crash... but then, I wasn't writing for 100 piece orchestras.


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   Posted 1/11/2012 1:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
2 GB RAM these days costs about $50. You could find that out for yourself by Goggling "RAM Price."


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   Posted 1/11/2012 1:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ThisTrombonePlayer said...
ahh... so I see, okay well how much would it cost to get about 5 gb of ram added, I tried to use different external hard drives, and blank USB drives, but it just didn't provide enough RAM to fix my problem... sigh... if only my 64 bit system worked


external hard drives and USB drives will not affect, in any way, the amount of RAM on your computer.
RAM is a memory chip, it isn't a type of drive.

RAM = Random Access memory. It is a form of temporary memory. A program will load up certain elements of itself into RAM when you turn it on. RAM is much faster than having to access the hard drive. Remember, a hard drive is a moving, spinning physical thing, which has a laser in it that "reads" the information. RAM is a microchip. No moving parts.

When you turn off your computer, RAM gets basically flushed. You don't keep things in RAM for extended periods of time. It's a "temporary" holding place for software information.

Your computer will have slots for RAM, some have only 2, some have 4.
Generally (some motherboards may handle it differently), you have to have equal amounts of ram in each slot.
So if you have two slots, you'd put 1 Gig sims in each slot, which gives you 2 Gigs of RAM.
Or you could put one 2 Gig sim in each slot, giving you a total of 4 Gig of RAM (which as has been said earlier in this thread, you would not have complete access to with a 32-bit operating system).

The type of RAM you purchase will also decide the ultimate difference in computer performance.
It is best to talk to someone knowledgeable in these things. Different types of RAM have different speeds.
And your motherboard MAY not be able to handle every kind of RAM.


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   Posted 1/11/2012 1:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
FWIW and just to confuse the OP, harddisks will eventually go the way of the dinosaur, being gradually replaced by solid state drives which are considerably faster and less vulnerable, having no moving parts. I've outfitted my laptop with an SSD and it's pretty amazing: cold boot in 15 seconds, Finale loads in 3 seconds, totally silent, and no risk of damage from computer jolting.


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   Posted 1/11/2012 2:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
and to further add to the confusion, solid state drives DO have their deficiencies.
notably, they have limits to the amount of re-write they can handle before they start getting the equivalent of "bad sectors".

personally, I would suggest holding off on replacing any standard hard drives with solid state drives until the technology is considerably improved.

it's just something to consider.

Personally, I LOVE the idea of solid state drives. I'm hoping against all hope that they will quickly find solutions to the issues with them.


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   Posted 1/11/2012 3:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As Wlgold said, entering notaion shouldn't crash the system no matter how little RAM there is. What exactly is the runtime error?


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   Posted 1/11/2012 6:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michel R. E. said...
and to further add to the confusion, solid state drives DO have their deficiencies.
notably, they have limits to the amount of re-write they can handle before they start getting the equivalent of "bad sectors".

personally, I would suggest holding off on replacing any standard hard drives with solid state drives until the technology is considerably improved.

it's just something to consider.

Personally, I LOVE the idea of solid state drives. I'm hoping against all hope that they will quickly find solutions to the issues with them.


And I'm waiting for the price to come down. Which it will, eventually, I'm sure. I paid about $35 for my first 128MB (yes, MB!) thumb drive.



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   Posted 1/11/2012 6:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can actually get 8GB RAM for a little over $50 on Newegg. However, XP can only handle around 3, so it doesn't matter. (I should have said 32 bit I guess. I suppose Win 7 32 bit would have the same limitation.)

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   Posted 1/11/2012 10:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
Michel R. E. said...
and to further add to the confusion, solid state drives DO have their deficiencies.
notably, they have limits to the amount of re-write they can handle before they start getting the equivalent of "bad sectors".

personally, I would suggest holding off on replacing any standard hard drives with solid state drives until the technology is considerably improved.

it's just something to consider.

Personally, I LOVE the idea of solid state drives. I'm hoping against all hope that they will quickly find solutions to the issues with them.


And I'm waiting for the price to come down. Which it will, eventually, I'm sure. I paid about $35 for my first 128MB (yes, MB!) thumb drive.


I decided to do a bit of research, and it's sort of putting my fears to rest regarding the reliability of SSDs.

This COULD turn out to be VERY interesting.


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   Posted 1/11/2012 10:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michel,

Like you, I used to be VERY sceptical about Flash memory. I knew all about the limited number of write/read cycles as long ago as 1984, when I was writing my first PostScript code for the first generation Apple LaserWriter, and the manual warned me not to "write" my preferences on every job, because the flash eeprom would only last 10,000 cycles! Eeeek!

So I never bought flash for my HP palmtops, preferring to use battery-backed PCMCIA CMOS RAM cards. Which would fail if you didn't replace their CR2032 coin cells at least once a year.

But then I read some more, and learned about "load spreading", and that even if you doggedly create, write to, delete, and start over with the same file, hundreds of thousands of times - the actual memory card firmware makes sure you're talking to different sectors on every occasion.

Then I read some articles in the scientific/IT press, that showed just how much you'd have to "work" a given solid-state storage device, before it failed. And they were talking about nearly 10-15 years of non-stop, random file reads/writes over an 8Gb SSD.

How many mechanical, magnetic hard disks even SPIN that long?!!

But yes, probably like you, each time I "format" a USB SSD drive, I think, "oh, that's one less". But then I remember, my DSLR is still working perfectly, 8 years down the line and 10's of 1000's of photos later - with the SAME original 2GB Sandisk CF card, which I have filled, downloaded and reformatted many hundreds of times - and yet which, according to the calculations, is only about 1% of the way through its service life. This "drive" is SO going to outlive my venerable camera!

So short version: SSD already outperforms HD, not just in terms of low power/speed - but actually, long term reliablity too.

And YES, I'm currently exploring SSD expansions for my PCs!

Brian


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   Posted 1/12/2012 12:01 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'd still be a little leery of replacing my boot drive with an SSD.

But I'm wondering if there might be any advantage to replacing one of my other drives? for example the one that contains all of my Garritan libraries (I have quite a few too).
I worry most about the hard drive those are on failing.

(my PC has 2 hard drives, divided into numerous virtual drives)

In the last 2 years we have had hard drives fail quite a few times... it's quite frustrating when there are 5 or more computers in a house, and they all start dropping like flies at regular intervals.


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   Posted 1/12/2012 12:37 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
@Michel R. E.: You do have the Garritan libraries backed up, perhaps in offsite storage, or the original media for the Garritan libraries, right?

@ThisTrombonePlayer: Be careful selecting RAM. Make sure you buy RAM that matches your current RAM, and that's as fast, or faster, than your current RAM. Your memory will work only as fast as your slowest RAM. You can check your RAM specifications with CPU-Z.


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   Posted 1/12/2012 9:53 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If we are talking simply safety, then I have a 1 TB external drive backing up everything simultaneously. However, I cannot boot from it, which means that when my main drive does down I have to spend days rebuilding applications. Like Brian I first heard about solid state drives a very long time ago--and at the same time read about the physical problems of developing such devices. I am waiting--and when I hear of a reasonably-priced commercially-produced SSD drive I'll be anxious to jump on the bandwagon. Despite the almost miraculous manufacturing techniques in use today, hard drives contain moving parts--and moving parts must eventually fail.


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   Posted 1/12/2012 10:53 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
@ ThisTrombonePlayer: Just to make sure you don't miss anything, is your operating system software up to date, and have you run a virus scan with your updated antivirus software? What is your operating system, anyway?


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