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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 11/26/2012 2:11 PM (GMT -5) |   | Very interesting, for horn players.
I was thinking, in particular, of Siegfried Idyll, which I had the pleasure of playing principle horn in our community orchestra last month, within which, in a mere 405 measures, the horn switches from horn in E -> F -> Eb -> F -> E -> F -> E -> F -> E, for a total of 9 horn key changes!
But this discussion has moved away from the original poster's question.
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Finale 2012c.r13Post Edited (Charles Lawrence) : 11/26/2012 12:14:00 PM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | |
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Matt Balmer
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| Posted 1/26/2013 5:52 AM (GMT -5) | | Trumpet players go through this silliness as well.
Iolanthe in particular hops between A and Bb multiple times; and in places where it's not clear why. Even later symphonies and programmatic works (e.g., Mahler, Strauss, etc.), where the key of the trumpet had largely been standardized as either Bb or C as the primary instruments, we still, obstinately, see parts for trumpet in F and E, and occasionally still in D.
Even modern musicals do this - Scrooge! is notable for including such nonsense as a brief 4-bar statement of trumpet in D during the overture and an even shorter 2-bar statement of piccolo trumpet in A during the finale. These scant 6 bars are the only instances which these two instruments are heard in the entire show, which makes one wonder if the arranger was being paid by the instrument.
Initially, my thought for these changes was to avoid placing the high brasses in uncomfortable keys (as we all know, sharp keys are unwieldy, fingering-wise) but given the sometimes arbitrary nature of things, it's hard to understand the thinking behind it. A good example is Sullivan's Ruddigore: The overture is in the key of F - a perfectly fine key for cornet in Bb (one sharp) but inexplicably, the cornets are in A for this number, leading to the much messier key of Ab, which introduces a host of intonation problems (such as Db and high Ab, both horrifyingly bad notes on the horn). | | Back to Top | |
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Gareth Green
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| Posted 1/26/2013 10:11 AM (GMT -5) | |
Matt Balmer said...
... Scrooge! is notable for including such nonsense as a brief 4-bar statement of trumpet in D during the overture and an even shorter 2-bar statement of piccolo trumpet in A during the finale. These scant 6 bars are the only instances which these two instruments are heard in the entire show, which makes one wonder if the arranger was being paid by the instrument. Unlikely; however, if the trumpet player had an "understanding", shall we say, with the arranger, then the player would presumably qualify for doubling fees under Union rates ...
"Titanic - The Musical" also has four bars for picc. trumpet (in both 1st & 2nd Trumpet parts) which are musically and technically unnecessary - presumably for the same reason ...
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