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Bill Bentgen
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   Posted 11/4/2013 12:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
2014 up and running. Absolutely no problems with install. JABB and GPO were both recognized and integrated with this install.

However . . . can't find the File toolbar. Toolbar with open/save icons. Not listed with the other toolbars like it was in 2012 and earlier.


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   Posted 11/4/2013 12:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's not there. A lot of icons are no longer with us, having gone to that great bit bucket in the sky.


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   Posted 11/4/2013 12:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Bill,

We did remove some toolbars on Windows:

www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2014Win/Finale.htm#Finale/Interface_Changes2014.htm%3FTocPath%3D_____3

I am definitely interested in feedback on this however, and would suggest sending some feedback to our support team (these get collected in a report that we review constantly and helps with development priority and direction):

makemusic.custhelp.com/app/ask/


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   Posted 11/4/2013 12:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Can we get them back? Great time saver.

Zuill


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   Posted 11/4/2013 1:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
Can we get them back? Great time saver.

Zuill


Zuill, please send your reques (and/or complaint) to customer support. With almost 21,000 posts there is no way you'll be able to convince us you don't have time. smilewinkgrin


 
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   Posted 11/4/2013 1:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Please give them back to us. If the people who made the decision to take them away don't use them, that doesn't mean other people like myself absolutely rely on them.

Almost every other application I use allows customizable toolbars. It would be nice to have fully customizable ribbons.


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   Posted 11/4/2013 2:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The new 2014 document manual says the "toolbars (and their customization), which duplicated commands available in Finale's menus, have been removed to free up screen space."  I know all don't have it, but I use a 27" monitor and have plenty of screen space.  I have all the toolbars and palettes available in 2012 open as icons along the top, left, and right edges of my screen.  I have grown accustomed to using them.  A great time saver.  Please bring them back.mad
 
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[EDIT]  Make that monitor size inches (") not feet (').  Sorry!


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Post Edited (Charles Lawrence) : 11/4/2013 12:41:11 PM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 11/4/2013 2:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thank you Charles for submitting a support case. Bill be sure to tell customer support your feelings otherwise your input may not be counted in the report(s) that get sent to the decision makers.


 
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   Posted 11/4/2013 2:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, this change seriously affects my workflow, particularly since I use a relatively small screen and I have everything set up to show only what I normally use and want to be able to get to easily and quickly. One could of course relearn and only use keyboard shortcuts, but WHY? It was great the way it was before, why remove a feature that was already established and working. Wrong decision as far as I am concerned. Support case submitted. Hope there'll be more submissions, so that this will be fixed in the first update (as was the case with that unfortunate un-resizable score manager last time - people seemed to have complained a lot, and it was fixed pretty quickly!).


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   Posted 11/4/2013 3:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Navigating via keyboard shortcuts will always be faster than reaching for the mouse every few seconds and disrupting workflow awesomeness! :)


I am so happy Finale 2014 is more "keyboard shortcut" oriented instead of silly mouse dependencies from circa 1992.
(fighting words?)

But seriously, I'm happy 2014 is out and rockin'.
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   Posted 11/4/2013 3:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ives said...
Navigating via keyboard shortcuts will always be faster than reaching for the mouse every few seconds and disrupting workflow

If you're already using the mouse, your argument doesn't hold. One could make the counter argument: keyboard shortcuts are typically two-handed (Ctrl, Alt, Shift), so you need to put down the mouse to type the shortcut, then grab the mouse again.


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   Posted 11/4/2013 3:43 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Try Shift-Alt-S. You get 2 shortcuts for the price of 1.

Zuill


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   Posted 11/4/2013 3:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
Ives said...
Navigating via keyboard shortcuts will always be faster than reaching for the mouse every few seconds and disrupting workflow

If you're already using the mouse, your argument doesn't hold. One could make the counter argument: keyboard shortcuts are typically two-handed (Ctrl, Alt, Shift), so you need to put down the mouse to type the shortcut, then grab the mouse again.


I sorta was tongue in cheek, but also sorta not.
If you just stay away from the mouse completely, then I win :)
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   Posted 11/4/2013 3:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
Try Shift-Alt-S. You get 2 shortcuts for the price of 1.

Zuill


lol good one
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   Posted 11/4/2013 3:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
'sorta difficult to draw smartshapes without a mouse ...


 
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   Posted 11/4/2013 3:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I get it.
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   Posted 11/4/2013 7:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
about the 2 shortcuts: I remembered one of them can be changed (the Finalescript shortcut). Anyway, it was fun while it lasted.

Zuill


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   Posted 11/4/2013 11:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Submitted a support case, but seriously. This is a significant step backward. I fail to see how removing choice and customization is supposed to improve workflow. As a composer and a digital publisher, having all of the relevant tools (including page size and file menu) on my large monitor allowed me to streamline my work flow, something that appears to be the general theme of this upgrade. Removing choice and customization for no apparent benefit strikes me as very counterproductive. Please reconsider this.
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   Posted 11/5/2013 1:11 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This might be related:

In 2012 and before, when one changed layers, the Simple Entry Palette showed the color of the selected layer. I can't see that this is the case in 2014. Please tell me I didn't set things up right and there is a simple solution.

Zuill


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   Posted 11/5/2013 2:17 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Doesn't look like it, Zuill.


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   Posted 11/5/2013 8:03 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I also miss the old toolbars! And, as Zuill noticed: the when one changed layers, the Simple Entry Palette is not showing the color of the selected layer anymore! Argh...! Support case submitted! Why change something that worked perfectly?

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   Posted 11/5/2013 9:19 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill,
 
I never saw that feature of 2012.  I have the Simple Entry palette open all the time and it never changes colors.  Is there an option that I have overlooked all this time?


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   Posted 11/5/2013 10:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In previous versions the Simple Entry palette changes colour to match the layer colour if "Traditional" is chosen for the palette style. Now there's only one choice of palette style and it doesn't have this feature.


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   Posted 11/5/2013 10:39 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I always chose Traditional. That explains it. Oh, they are really messing with us!

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   Posted 11/5/2013 11:45 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OK.  I don't particularly like the icons in Traditional, so I chose long ago Studio Bronze Medium.  I like the icons more than the changing color for layer.  Wish there were both available.  Thanks for the heads up.
 
[EDIT]  All the others seem to already have a color associated with them, so that is probably why they don't change with layer.


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Post Edited (Charles Lawrence) : 11/5/2013 9:52:23 AM (GMT-6)

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