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zil
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| Posted 3/24/2014 1:37 PM (GMT -5) |   | | jBridge, Bidule Plogue.. whatever works, but where do find a guide for all the setup? :( I'm still in the dark when it comes to a step-by-step tutorial for this. | | Back to Top | |
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La Leyenda
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| Posted 3/24/2014 2:47 PM (GMT -5) | | | |
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zac100
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| Posted 3/26/2014 4:55 PM (GMT -5) | | | Ron, I'm not sure what zil meant by "weird time signatures," but I'd think that time signatures without "denominators," time signatures with notes (a la Orff) as denominators, at least, are common enough that they should be able to be achieved without workarounds. As for key signatures, I agree in principle that the further you stray from the beaten path, you risk confusion. But I'd like to be able to achieve concert F-flat major without workarounds (includes Bbb in the key signature), and non-standard key signatures like Bartok used almost 100 years ago (Bb and F# in the same signature). | | Back to Top | |
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zac100
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| Posted 3/26/2014 5:56 PM (GMT -5) | | Jari,
You're absolutely right about the non-standard key signatures. It's there, and is in the documentation. I guess it's just that the method of inputting those key signatures doesn't seem very intuitive to me.
And for the F-flat major key (and others) -- I *thought* I remembered being able to do that somewhere in life! Thought I was going crazy... | | Back to Top | |
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Peter Thomsen
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| Posted 3/26/2014 6:05 PM (GMT -5) | | zac100 said...
…I'd like to be able to achieve concert F-flat major without workarounds (includes Bbb in the key signature), and non-standard key signatures like Bartok used almost 100 years ago (Bb and F# in the same signature).
Both are possible without workarounds:
From the dialog box Key Signature, use the pop up menu at the top, and choose "Nonstandard…".
You get to the dialog box Nonstandard Key Signature.
Click the button "Next" twice to get to Linear Key Format 2 (the Linear Key Formats 0 and 1 are "hardwired" and can not be customized to give what you want).
1) To get concert F♭ major, scroll the accidentals down to 8 flats (you will see B𝄫 in the key signature).
There is not much "nonstandard" in this, really.
2) To get the special Bartok key signature with B♭ and F♯, scroll down to 2 flats.
Click the button "Acc. Order". You get to the dialog box Accidental Order and Amount.
Click the button "Prev" twice to get to Unit -2 (= the second flat).
It should say
Step Level: 2 (= E; since C = 0)
Amount: -1 (= flat)
Change to
Step Level: 3 (= F)
Amount: 1 (= sharp)
By The Way:
In a score with transposing instruments in flat transpositions like B♭ and E♭ I would not mind using concert F-flat major.
But a Bartok key signature with B♭ and F♯ is a different story.
I would only use a such key signature in a piano score.
In an orchestration of a such piece I would notate with the traditional key signatures that do not mix flats and sharps, and use note accidentals instead.
Better safe than sorry.
Peter
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zac100
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| Posted 3/26/2014 6:11 PM (GMT -5) | | | There it is -- thanks, guys! (And Peter, you're right -- this isn't really a "workaround." I guess my complaint is that I'd like it to be more immediately obvious what to do, rather than memorizing the different values for the AOrdAmt option...and who came up with that catchy name, anyway?) | | Back to Top | |
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Zuill
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| Posted 3/26/2014 7:34 PM (GMT -5) | | Awesome.
Zuill
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zac100
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| Posted 3/26/2014 7:36 PM (GMT -5) | | | |
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zil
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| Posted 3/27/2014 8:06 AM (GMT -5) | | | Also, something that really bothers me is the loss of the old, simple UI for the instrument list, where you could manually input numbers for volume, panning etc? I don't want to turn knobs! :S | | Back to Top | |
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ttw
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| Posted 3/27/2014 8:32 AM (GMT -5) | | I hate the wheels, sliders, radio knobs, etc. A numerical entry is not only simpler, it's much faster.
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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 3/27/2014 9:17 AM (GMT -5) | | | |
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 3/27/2014 9:55 AM (GMT -5) | | | Slightly off topic, but for what it's worth, my Transposition Chart, the one with the small scale images depicting how a C Maj scale would look when the given transposition was applied, had several of these "non-standard" key signatures, including 8♭'s, which is what you get when applying a G# transposition.
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