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   Posted 6/17/2015 12:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There's a general assumption that 6/4 is always a compound meter. I question whether there is any precedent for it sometimes being a complex meter. The piece in question is basically in 4/4, but in one spot there are 2 extra beats. The phrasing suggests that it should not be an added 2/4 measure, but rather a 6/4 measure groups as 4+2. A colleague suggests that to negate the assumption that 6/4 is grouped in 3's, the meter should be written as 4+2/4 (see attachment). My preference is to simply write 6/4, but above the staff, show (4+2) as the division. This seems clearer to me, and aligns with style guides for complex meters (5/8, 7/8 etc.), e.g. http://www.music.indiana.edu/departments/academic/composition/style-guide/

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   Posted 6/17/2015 12:24 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since there isn't a link by which we can see your picture, my only suggestion is to make the signature 4+2 over 4.

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   Posted 6/17/2015 12:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
6/4 isn't always a compound meter, though many assume it to be so.

Personally, I've recently used 6/4 where the feel moves between 2+2+2, 3+3, or simply 6.


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   Posted 6/17/2015 1:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
larrycfc said...
There's a general assumption that 6/4 is always a compound meter.?


There are many assumptions in the field of music theory today. One is that 6/4 is always a 3+3 grouping (compound). Hence, under that assumption your 4+2 would be more correct if notated as 3/2. However, some players may find a switch from a crochet beat to minim confusing, if it is only an isolated meter change, the rest of the piece having a crochet as a denominator. Also, some players may wonder about 4+2/4.

Up to you, but one cannot always please all.
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   Posted 6/17/2015 3:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Regardless of phrasing, it seems as if just inserting a 2/4 measure would be clearest. Phrasing could be indicated by slurs (phrase marks actually) or cross-bar beaming. I'd have to see the score else. Of course, slurs and beaming would probably indicate the division of a 6/4 measure too.


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