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   Posted 7/6/2015 8:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Is there a way to avoid the mess in figure 1? Figs. 2 & 3 show the quantization settings the produce this. They work exactly correctly 90% of the time, but I keep getting really dumb stiff like this all over the place. It seems to violate the quant resolution, doesn't it?

If someone could explain this, it might help me figure out how to avoid it, maybe tweak something with a MIDI editor before transcribing the file in Finale.


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   Posted 7/7/2015 12:41 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Before we proceed, to save time, it would probably help to know what you were doing, step by step, to get this result. It looks like a known bug in copy/paste, but I would only be guessing.

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   Posted 7/7/2015 1:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
Before we proceed, to save time, it would probably help to know what you were doing, step by step, to get this result. It looks like a known bug in copy/paste, but I would only be guessing.

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I simply opened a .mid file, set those quant settings, and let Finale do its thing. For the sample file, I then deleted all but the one measure for illustration.


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   Posted 7/7/2015 1:41 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What is the original rhythm supposed to be?

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   Posted 7/7/2015 4:59 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Like this


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   Posted 7/7/2015 9:55 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It might be good for someone else to test importing the MIDI file to see if there is something we could do to avoid the problem.

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   Posted 7/7/2015 12:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The problem is, now I cannot reproduce it. I've relaunched Finale and reopened the original MIDI file, using the same quant settings. It transcribes as I'd expect it to.

I'd just drop the matter, except this happens all the time for me I only just now decided to post about it.

Anyway, here's the original file I was given to work with.


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   Posted 7/7/2015 1:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, sometimes the gremlins get in there. I didn't get the erroneous rhythm either.

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   Posted 7/7/2015 2:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, as to EDUs to ignore for transcription, consider that Finale, uses an "absolute" internal resolution of 1024 PPQN (parts per quarter note), and thus, for all practical purposes, since:

1024 = 1/4 note duration
512 = 1/8
256 = 1/16
128 = 1/32
64 = 1/64
32 = 1/128
16 = 1/256
8 = 1/512
4 = 1/1024
2 = 1/2048
1 = 1/4096

I would recommend using "ignore" values of 128th or less, to "clean-up" the transcription. Otherwise, generally, I would recommend a "mix" rhythm settings for transcriptions, the more so since triplet subdivisions are not even "native" factors of the 1024 resolution!


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   Posted 7/7/2015 3:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Benjamin Tubb said...
I would recommend a "mix" rhythm settings for transcriptions, the more so since triplet subdivisions are not even "native" factors of the 1024 resolution!


In notating MIDI files, my workflow is to use "no tuplets" on the initial opening of the file, preserving the original MIDI note duration data. Then, where needed, I can re-transcribe various sections using other quant settings. With swing music, this approach has saved me a great deal of time, even in lieu of the "mix" setting.


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