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   Posted 10/2/2015 11:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The horizontal lines to the left (I think it's called beam) are very disturbing and dominating at several places. I would like the notes to be representet as seen to the right. Is it possible?

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   Posted 10/2/2015 11:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The notation on the right is incorrect, unless you're re-engraving some ancient old vocal music for some awful reason.

The modern notation is on the left and is correct.


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   Posted 10/2/2015 11:47 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It is possible (although I agree w/ Flint on its appropriateness) if you select a measure/area and use
Utilities > Rebeam
and rebeam to a time signature of 16/16 instead of 4/4.

(You could actually set your time sig as 16/16 and then ask it to display the sig as 4/4 to have the whole piece reflect your preference.)


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   Posted 10/2/2015 12:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm guessing you're engraving vocal music, right? It might be better if you finish the file completely, including lyrics and a good layout. Do not worry about the details until you're done. It might be that the beaming will look better in the context of a final layout. If not, just remove the beams as Derrek suggests.

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   Posted 10/2/2015 12:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Even so, in contemporary vocal music, beaming is according to the time signature, not the syllables. Beaming to syllables was dropped about 1920. Unless you are deliberately trying to recreate the look of obsolete notation practices, then let the time signature determine beaming.


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   Posted 10/2/2015 5:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If the OP is trying to separate sixteenths in vocal lines there is a way to do it in the Utilities menu Rebeam > Rebeam To Lyrics. Needless to say that would most conveniently be done after entering all the lyrics (if done at all).


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   Posted 10/2/2015 8:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm wondering why the OP calls normal beaming 'very disturbing' whereas beaming to lyrics (if that's what he's doing) is, or should be, looked upon as being very disturbing.


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   Posted 10/3/2015 11:29 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In any way, select Speedy Entry, place the cursor on the beamed notes and press / on the number pad to unbeam/beam the notes as you like.

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   Posted 10/3/2015 11:44 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since there is a need to be able to choose to beam or not, it's nice to know as many ways to beam or not. Whether it is common practice or not is not really the question at hand, but how to avoid beaming. I suppose it is good to offer all possible methods.

The JW Change plugin is another way to beam/unbeam groups.

When I am creating teaching materials, for example, I often need to create notation for study that requires different notational examples not necessarily following "rules". For example, if I want to show flagged notes for students to hand copy, so they can practice drawing flags, I don't want beams. Since we may not know the need at hand, it might be good to merely answer the immediate question.

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   Posted 10/3/2015 4:14 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
To be honest, I kind of like beaming to syllables. But then I like music with a lot of complex melismas, and it's handy in those cases.


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   Posted 10/4/2015 3:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just curious: why do you like beaming to syllables? If you look at old manuscripts, you can understand why it was necessary, since it would have otherwise been impossible to see where the syllables belonged, but with syllables exactly under the notes to which they're attached and hyphens making lyric placement clear, it's not only unnecessary but it generally makes it more difficult to see the rhythmic hierarchy in a measure. After all, why should singers see music differently than the rest of the music world? In the case of complex melismas, don't slurs show the lyric placement clearly enough?


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   Posted 10/4/2015 7:49 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've seen older scores that were almost impossible to read because of all the fancy scrolling and over-elaborate flags, made more unreadable by beaming to syllables. There was just so much action on the page that the eye was confused--a few simple straight beams would have made everything much clearer. Besides, as Vaughan said, singers need to know the rhythmic patterns too--which can become very difficult to discern in some situations where beaming is not standard.


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   Posted 10/4/2015 9:48 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
... or even when the beaming is completely standard. Ever tried to read a recitative with endless strings of 8ths and 16ths in different configurations, all with separate stems and not at all proportionally spaced? Could be one of the reasons why so many singers have such an abominable sense of rhythm...


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   Posted 10/4/2015 11:52 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Imagine the blowback the poor soul got who first decided to buck common practice of the time and join separate syllables together under one beam for whatever reason. Now it seems to be the reverse.


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   Posted 10/4/2015 2:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The common practice of the time of beaming to syllables was essential for seeing where those syllables belonged. It no longer is. Logic would therefore dictate that singers should read music the way all other musicians do.


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   Posted 10/4/2015 3:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Two examples, one where beaming to lyrics is essential, the other where it's not only unnecessary but the rhythms are unclear (16ths and 8ths take up the same amount of space), especially when compared to the instrumental bass line.


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   Posted 10/4/2015 5:48 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You apparently missed my point.


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   Posted 10/6/2015 9:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't understand why the OP requested help with something he evidently accomplished already in the second measure.


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